Who is the Pope? — Fathers Rodriguez & Mawdsley respond

Commentary by Br. Alexis Bugnolo

This video was published by the Fatima Center 17 hours ago. I will comment on the strengths and weaknesses of its presentation of the question. It is good, that for the first time we have more than one priest, in the English speaking world, discussing this topic in public, together.

That being said, remember that The Fatima Center was founded by the crusading Marian priest, Father Nicholas Gruner, who gave a wonderful example of Marian piety, priestly fidelity and zeal in the service of Our Lady of Fatima for more than 40 years.

He was one of the first to say, that Pope Benedict XVI did not abdicate, and did this in 2014.

After his untimely death, the center he founded was headed by Father Paul Kramer who continues this approach to the controversy. But soon afterward he was ousted by pro-Bergoglian laypersons, who changed the public position of the organization on this point.


First, I will say that I know nothing about these two priests. And I will not judge what they say, on the basis that those who say it are priests, but only on the basis of whether what they say is founded upon facts and laws and logical argumentation, or not.

The speaker opens up with a very praiseworthy statement, that this question, Who is the Pope? needs to be asked, and answers should be given. The discussion of this should not be shut down.

Father Mawdsley opens with an error, by constricting the discussion to the level of opinion, as if nothing more than an opinion could be had. But no one has an opinion regarding 1 +1 =2, since an opinion is a holding of a judgement with the possibility that the contrary thesis might be true. But he is true when he says the Cardinals are yes men and that there is a lot of gas lighting on this topic.

Father Rodgriguez opens also with another grave error, by saying, “We will never know all the truth and facts”. He apparently does not understand that in a legal dispute one can have certainty, when a valid syllogism can be constructed by certain facts and laws.

I can from this point, for example, conclude with certitude that the discussion of these two priests cannot arrive at the truth, since they have eliminated truth, as a possibility, from the get go. Even though they both affirm that they doubt that Bergoglio is the true Pope and heretic.  — I gather, from this point, that neither has studied canon law or logic.

And since I am only interested in the truth, I will leave it to you my readers to watch the video and see what you find in it, since you won’t find it in this video.

However, I must respond to the most grave errors, which are these:

That Father Mawdsley who says that only for the Cardinals and higher clergy will be required for their salvation to adhere to the true pope, not the lower clergy and laity!  That contradicts Unam Sanctam of Boniface VIII.

Having listened to the entire video, I can say, that ironically, these two priests never actually answer the question: they merely give reasons to remain calm until the answer is declared by the Church.

Oh my!


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17 thoughts on “Who is the Pope? — Fathers Rodriguez & Mawdsley respond”

  1. Santa Pazienza!
    Yes, we see these two Priests suffering from the lack of knowledge re. Canon Law and Logic …. what about common sense?… that reminds us that by virtue of our Baptism we, the laity with Religious Brothers and Sisters and ordained Priests have the right and obligation to speak up to anyone in and out of the RC Church about the well known disgraceful FACTS re. the burning question: – WHO indeed is the Pope now??-
    AND THE ANSWER – in fact- is: – Pope Benedict XVIth = Papa Benedetto sedicesimo in prigione!

    Q. Are these two well meaning Priests afraid of the Priests dressed in red? and the evil one dressed in white?

    Methinks YES!

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  2. The priests and people I have spoke to about Pope Benedict’s declaration of Impeded See in general suffer from lack of knowledge. For one, nothing like this has happened in more than 1000 years, and they are not aware of the differences between an Impeded see and an abdication. Second, they do not follow events in the Catholic church and so cannot imagine that Pope Benedict’s declaration on Feb 11th 2013 could be anything different than what they have been told. Also, they do not imagine the evil that actually exists in the church and so they are able to accept illogical explanations for it, instead of believe the extreme. It’s as if one were to be presented evidence that ones father was a pedophile….when one actually had a good relationship with him.

    1. Francis’ status as an impostor has nothing to do with Benedict.

      Francis is an impostor because he isn’t a Catholic, and he wasn’t a Catholic at the time of his supposed election. As he’s made abundantly clear both before and after his supposed election, he hates actual Catholicism with the white-hot hatred of a thousand burning suns.

      Only actual Catholics can become, and remain, actual popes.
      Francis has manifestly proven that he hates actual Catholicism.
      Thus Francis cannot possibly be an actual pope.

      One cannot be the head of a body of which one is not a member.

      (Note: baptism is a necessary but insufficient criterion of being an actual Catholic; as Pope Pius XII teaches in Mystici corporis, para. 22, one must ALSO hold the actual Catholic Faith. If there’s one thing Francis has made perfectly clear, it’s that he holds an alien faith, the “faith” of Modernism, described so brilliantly by Pope St. Pius X as “the synthesis of all heresies.”)

      It takes absolutely no legal authority to recognize the manifest reality of Francis’ non-papacy, any more than one must be a coroner to recognize a dead body.

      Moreover, Francis isn’t simply a “bad father.“ One must first be an actual spiritual father in order to then be a bad father. But Francis isn’t a father at all.

      It’s no accident that Francis has renounced the title of Vicar of Christ; this is because he’s actually the Vicar of Satan.

      Finally, since we’re divinely assured that the actual Catholic Church is indefectible, the entity now led by Francis cannot possibly be the actual Catholic Church. This is because this entity has manifestly defected from the actual Catholic Faith. It’s been over come by hell. Therefore, this Novus Ordo Antichurch, spawned during Vatican II, cannot possibly be the actual Catholic Church.

      It’s time to get real; really real. The Great Apostasy is upon us, and it’s been upon us for at least the last 57 years.

      Who is Francis? The diabolical ape of St. John the Baptist. He’s the forerunner of the Antichrist (and thus indirectly the Vicar of Satan).

      “Where there is no hatred of heresy, there is no holiness.“

      -Fr. Faber

      “The declared enemies of God and His Church, heretics and schismatics, must be criticized as much as possible, as long as truth is not denied. It is a work of charity to shout: ‘Here is the wolf!’ when it enters the flock or anywhere else.”

      -St. Francis de Sales

      1. Well I agree the great Apostasy seems to be upon us, and in some way it has been at work for many years now, since Vatican II. But I would not say that all the popes since then were apostates. Benedict XVI for all his faults tried to turn things back.

      2. Benedict, like BeelzeBergoglio, is also a Modernist. He was fully on board with Vatican II, the Council of Modernism, and has repeatedly said since then that he hasn’t changed. He’d simply lead us into the abyss at 100 mph rather than 1,000 mph.

      3. There is no doubt that Ratzinger was fully on board with Vatican II, but I believe as prefect of the CDC and as Pope, he realized that all was not rosy with Vatican II. That he thought it would help, does not make him a heretic, though, since heresy does not consist in wanting to change rules or translate the masse into one language from another, but in the intention rejection of a revealed truth.

  3. That Father Mawdsley who says that only for the Cardinals and higher clergy will be required for their salvation to adhere to the true pope, not the lower clergy and laity! That contradicts Unam Sanctam of Boniface VIII.

    Can you please elucidate more on this contradiction, Bro. Bugnolo? Thanks.

    1. Boniface VIII says that all must submit to the Roman Pontiff. He does not say, submit to the one you think is the Roman Pontiff. And he says that it is impossible to be saved without such submission. Father Mawdsley goes on to a worse error, in implying that it is not necessary for salvation for the laity. He seems he wants to justify schism, as if the Orthodox could be saved if they positively did not care to know who is Peter in the Church.

  4. The Fatima Center is spreading falsehood and it refuses to acknowledge Sister Lucy Truth .org

    There is massive scientific evidence that there were actually 2 Sister Lucys. There was a false-Sister Lucy placed by the Vatican II popes beginning with false-Saint John XXIII who read the Third Secret of Fatima and he disobeyed Our Lady’s request that he should reveal it to the world in 1960.

    See all the scientific evidence in Sister Lucy Truth.org

    The Fatima Center is controlled-opposition like Michael Matt’s The Remnant and John-Henry Westen’s LifeSite News. Read more in https://novusordowatch.org/2022/10/mistaken-identity-conference-against-pope/#comment-6019170298

    The Fatima Center is a Pied Piper misleading obtuse Catholics like Steve Bannon’s Italian monastery that will train Catholic Gladiators under the guise of “Judeo-Christian” who will serve the Globalists agenda for a One World Religion of the New World Order.

    1. The Fatima Center has sold out. Hence they refuse to acknowledge both the antipapacy of Francis and the fake Sister Lucy, though the evidence for both is overwhelming. But embracing such truths would be too dangerous for their “Recognize and Resist” business model. This also prevents the likes of Taylor Marshall from getting really real.

      1. How did The Fatima Center sold out, and how can embracing such truths would be too dangerous for their “Recognize and Resist” business model? What about Taylor Marshall?

      2. The recognize and resist business model must chose Bergoglio, because if you Chose Benedict and a provincial council, you get restoration of the Church and then no one will follow their recognize and resist outlets any more. So they need Bergoglio like carrion birds need a predator.

      3. So this is the parable of the Gospel of Matthew “where the body lay … the vultures gather”.

        The antipope Bergoglio laid waste on the Catholics, and these Fatima Center, Opus Dei, SSPX, and the rest of the recognize and resist models preyed on the Catholics that fell into schism.

  5. Very ab-stute move from them…

    They certainly know the part of the Fatima Prophecy that
    states “Portugal will hold the Dogma of the True Faith”…
    In Venezuela we used to say: “One shot for the government,
    and one for the Revolution” (when being asked to fight
    for one or the two parts).

  6. The priests and commentator seem to promote the idea that NOT committing to any position is somehow the virtous thing to do. This is ridiculous. Indecision is a decision in itself and usually leads to failure.

    Nevertheless, it is true that God will give everyone some time to decide. After all he gave the jews 40 years after Christ’s death to decide to become Christians or not, and then vengeance came brutally for those who remained Jews. I pray that all may accept Pope Benedict XVI as the rightful and legitimate Pope.

  7. In 70 A.D. Christ’s condemnation of Jerusalem and the demise of the entire generation of those who chose to crucify Him came true in the Destruction of Jerusalem and of the Second Temple of Jerusalem and so the Old Testament was wiped off the face of the earth because without the priesthood and the Temple, there would no longer be the sacrifice of the blood of goats and bulls. This rare pastor says it best about the Destruction of Jerusalem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzD8tjw4R3c
    See also https://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Store.aspx#!/The-Destruction-Of-Jerusalem-DVD-By-Dr-Chuck-Baldwin-NEW-PRODUCT/p/147743354/category=15986016
    See also https://www.bitchute.com/video/fswDzHEU49JT/

    The Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. was God’s final divorce from Israel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsQlW_JfTNw

    Chuck Baldwin has hundreds of on-going articles in his archive to substantiate his claim https://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Links/NewsLinks.aspx?Category=Zionism

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