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Bishop Sanborn lectures Kokx, as he trembles in dismay

Editor’s Note: Stephen Kokx, former journalist at LifeSite News, and one of the leading members of the Neo-Sedevacantists, who preaches, “Recognize and withdraw”, interviewed Bishop Donald Sanborn, who identifies as a Sedevacanist (Thuc lineage), on whether Catholics can refuse obedience to man they recognize as a legitimately elected Roman Pontiff, and receives a devastating catechetical instruction in response. — As readers know, I have strongly criticized the neo-Sedevacantists and Kokx in particular, HERE.

Bravo to Bishop Sanborn!

During this interview, Kokx ignores what Bishop Sanborn says and keeps attempting to elicit from the Bishop the affirmation that Pope Francis and Pope Leo XIV are valid popes. Bishop Sanborn, for his credit, is not fooled by Kokx’s dishonest yet very subtle tactic.

Stephen Kokx did his interview of Bishop Sanborn, last night, about two weeks after my video, “Traditionalism vs. Sedevacantism, which is the Catholic Response?“, which I believe irked Kokx enough as to induce him to undertaken this video.

As regards what Bishop Sanborn said, distinguishing between the personal sin of heresy and teaching heresy, for a Roman Pontiff, the distinction is badly made, because he says the pope could publish heresy in a book without imposing it — and that, theologians hold is theoretically possible — but that the Cardinals would have to address that, he says — though the Cardinals in Church law have no such duty.  Rather, as we see in the case of Pope John XXI in regard to his denial of the immediate beatification of the saints, after death, if a pope manifest any formal heresy, he must be publicly rebuked. And if he persists, which Pope John XXI did not, then at a Provincial Council here at Rome, he needs to be rebuked and if he persists be declared self deposed. I discuss this in the Council of Sutri initiative.

Again, at 38 minute mark, Bishop Sanborn says that Sedevacantism is what preserves (the claim of) the indefectibility of the Church. This is simply absurd. It is the canonical removal of a heretic or the refusal of an invalid election which preserves the Church, because the solution is not in what I opine, but in what the Church judges and rules regarding who is the Pope or not the Pope. — I think the Bishop means “preserve the sacramental continuity of the Church”, because simply stated it certainly does not preserve the juridical continuity of the Church.

Bishop Sanborn also says that Universal Pacific Acceptance (UPA) would sanitize a controversy against a valid election — which is the correct doctrine — but he does not directly refute the error of saying that UPA applies to elections which are objectively discrepant with the rule of law, as in the papal election of Benedict X in 1058, and of Pope Francis in 2013, and of Leo XIV in 2025.

At the 48 minute mark, Kokx makes a comparison to a dead body and separated soul, at which Bishop Sanborn bites his lip at the level of ignorance implied in such a question moved by Kokx. And in reply Sanborn does admit that the juridical character of the Church is part of the Church, but he classifies it as regarding the material aspect of the Church — incorrectly — rather than as a formal characteristic of the true Church. Indeed, the Church has always taught that the Church founded by Jesus Christ is indefectible, that is preserves juridical continuity from Christ down to the most recent validly elected Pope.

Most praiseworthy are the statements at the 56 minute mark, where Bishop Sanborn says that the best thing Leo XIV can do is resign. And at minute mark 1 hour 9 minutes, Sanborn endorses the Great Catholic Reset, an idea I launched in 2021, and which has also been endorsed by Archbishop Viganò.

For my critiques of Sedevacantism, see HERE.

At the 1 hour 14 minute mark, and thereafter, Bishop Sanborn says, that the worse thing for the Sedevacantist movement was Pope Benedict XVI, and the best was Pope Francis and will be Pope Leo.  I can scarcely imagine thinking such an outrageous statement than this. — At 1 hour and 20 minutes, Sanborn claims the resignation of Benedict XVI was valid and UPA made it valid. I won’t comment on such a modernist view of juridical acts, but you can read the hundreds of pages of my investigation here. — At 1 hour and 22, Bishop Sanborn falsely claims that Pope Pius XI condemned the second redaction of the Message of La Salette, when in fact it was the Holy Office, not the Pope, which said that it was not worthy of credence, even though the Holy Office has no infallible charism to discern prophecy, as the Church teaches that that charism pertains to the local ordinary and to the Roman Pontiff. In fact, the Bishop of Lecce, Italy, where Melanie lived and died, approved the Second Version some 30 years before. — At 1 hour and 23 minutes, Sanborn erroneously says Pope Saint Gregory VII established the college of Cardinals and restricted the election of the Pope to them: this is false, and in saying this Bishop Sanborn appears, at the time of this interview, to have had no knowledge of In Nomine Domini, of Pope Nicholas II, published on April 13, of 1059 at the Roman Synod at the Lateran.

Ryan Grant usurps Papal Authority in an attempt to refute Br. Bugnolo

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Commentary and Refutation of Ryan Grant’s Position by Br. Alexis Bugnolo

French Translation

In the above article, published on October 27, 2025, Mr. Ryan Grant, attempts to show that this Bull no longer has any force of law, even in the particular of its censure of the election of a heretic as pope.

Before I comment on his treatise, I will cite my previous writings on this matter, which he does not so clearly present.

Back in May of this year of Our Lord, 2025, the first argument I moved against the validity of the election of Cardinal Prevost, was that the election of a man who is found to have deviated from the Catholic Faith before his election by the Cardinals was declared ipso facto invalid by the Bull of Pope Paul IV, Cum ex apostolatus officio.

In this, I cited my former argument on the matter, from 2015, and with the passing of some days, I returned to that argument and refined it, here — note that the edition of 2015 is revised, though the date still reflects the original publication:

This article discussed the effect of the promulgation of the Code of Canon Law of 1917, on the perpetual validity of the precepts contained in the Bull. And I concluded, that in regard to the declaration of the invalidity of an election of a Cardinal in a Conclave, who had previously deviated from the Catholic Faith, fell into heresy or adhered to a schism, that Papal censure on the validity remained valid.

Subsequently on August 19, I revisited the argument regarding, as I just mentioned, and published the revision separately here.

And on August, 2, of this year, I published the second English Translation of this Bull, publicly available, on the Internet — there may be others in books or manuals — Here:

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So far, for what I previously have written.

Ryan Grant’s Treatise — A Historic Publication

I think this particular tract by Ryan Grant is the most thorough and complete treatment I have ever seen him muster on any topic, and shows that he has come of age in the matter of public disputation.

As a dinosaur who has been doing such things since my first Refutation of Father Wathen, back in 1996 — if I remember correctly, I welcome the graduation of the newest tract-writer on the block.

Second, Ryan Grant’s essay is the first to cite me by name in any Catholic publication, since the L’Avvenire in the summer of 2021, so it is indeed quite extraordinary. OnePeterFive, where Ryan Grant’s essay is published, even extended to me the unheard of decency, of a hyperlink to my August article, cited above. That has not happened since the Team Bergoglio Scandal in December of 2014.

So for both reasons, I sense that someone has “broken reality itself” in the Trad inc. camp, where the absolute censorship of everything said or done by Br. Alexis Bugnolo has been the unbroken rule since Michael Matt’s last publication of a letter to the Editor of The Remnant back in like 2004 or something like that — my grey hairs being unable to recall that misty past, it being so long ago.

For each of these reasons, Ryan Grant’s article is historic and I recommend my readers, here at FromRome, to read it, if they have the time.

The Complete Refutation of Ryan Grant

Ryan Grant’s article is entitled, “The Bull Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio — Void and of No Authority.” — Leaders in publication are usually placed by the Editor, not the author, so I can scarcely fault Grant for this erroneous and scandalous title. But it needs to be said, that “of No Authority” is theologically and canonically erroneous and false, because, theologically speaking, it remains a monument of the authentic Papal magisterium, and canonically speaking, it remains a source for ecclesiastical jurisprudence. As such, these words are scandalous and ignorant, and should be removed or replaced.

Now, Grant’s article is lengthy, and would take several hours perhaps for the layman to read, if he was able and familiar enough with the terms, for when printed out, my browser produces a PDF file which is 27 pages long!!!!

So for Catholics who have not that time, I will cut to the meat of the problem with it: Ryan Grant has founded his argument on private interpretation.

You see, a Papal Law or Papal Bull can only be interpreted by the Roman Pontiff. There is no authentic interpretation, in the canonical sense, from any other source. Nor is there an honest interpretation of the same, in a juridical sense, if you interpolate words, and make the law say something it does not say.

Thus does Grant attempt to refute two of my positions.

My Refutation of Grant’s First Argument

In the First Position, Grant recites thus:

To summarize Bugnolo’s argument, while it is true that all penal sanctions of Cum ex are abrogated in paragraph 5 of Canon 6, the section of the Bull (n. 6) which deals with the election of the Roman Pontiff is not penal by nature, because it imposes no penalty, but only a discipline, per the language of the code, and thus under paragraph 6 of the same canon, it would have to be explicitly abrogated, otherwise it is still in force. This is easily refuted. St. Pius X had already abrogated this clause of Cum ex by his own constitution Vacante sede apostolica of December 25, 1904 (§29), where he abrogated all previous laws considering the voting in papal elections.

Unfortunately, since Grant has not ennumerated his paragraphs, I cannot give an exact location in his work for this quote, but it appears to be half-way through, according to the measure of the scroll bar in a browser.

Grant’s claim of the abrogation, does not cite the words of the Constitution of Saint Pius X. And as any good debater knows, that, when you cite a law in Latin but give not the citation in words, then your citation probably does not prove what you are claiming. This concern is deepened when the passage you cite, here §29 regards the burial of popes, not the election of heretics.

And that is the case, here, since, as you can see, here at the very words of Saint Pius X in the passage which Grant should have cited, n. 34, since as a Latinist he claims to be able to read Latin: I quote from the Latin edition at the Vatican Website, found here.

34. Nullus Cardinalium, cuiuslibet excommunicationis, suspensionis, interdicti aut alius ecclesiastici impedimenti praetextu vel causa a Summi Pontificis electione activa et passiva excludi ullo modo potest; quas quidem censuras ad effectum huiusmodi electionis tantum, illis alias in suo robore permansuris, suspendimus [27].

Where the footnote 27 reads:

[27] Clem. V, cap. 2, Ne Romani, § 4, de elect., I, 3 in Clem.; Pii IV Const. In eligendis, § 29; Greg. XV Const. Aeterni Patris, § 22.

Even if you cannot read Latin, you can see immediately that Grant has dishonestly referred to Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis of Saint Pius X, because in this passage, when it speaks of the suspension of previous laws (suspendimus), it cites the laws of Pope Clement V, Ne Romani, and Pius IV ‘s Constitution, In eligendis, and Pope Gregory XVI’s Constitution, Aeterni Patris. There is no mention of Cum ex apostolatus officio.

Here is my translation of n. 34, and its footnote:

34. None of the Cardinals, by pretext and/or cause of any excommunication, suspension, interdict or any ecclesiastical impediment you like, can in any manner be excluded from active and passive election as Supreme Pontiff: which censures indeed, only as regards the effect of this manner of election, We suspend, with the former (illis) otherwise remaining in their force. [27]

Here, the Latin “illis”, which according to the rules of Latin grammer are to be translated contextually as referring to the aforementioned matter, rather than they are normally rendered (“those”, “they”), and refers here to “excommunciation, suspension, interdict or any ecclesiastical impediment”.

Where the footnote 27 reads:

[27] Pope Clement V, in chapter of, Ne Romani, section § 4, de elect., I, 3 in Clem.; Pops Pius IV, in his Constitution, In eligendis, § 29; and Pope Gregory XV in his Constitution, Aeterni Patris, § 22.

Thus, since Saint Pius X explicitly restricts his suspension to these three Papal Laws, he obviously does NOT intend to suspend the effect of Pius IV’s, Cum ex apostolatus oficio.

This is also confirmed by a comparison of the text of n. 34 of Pope Saint Pius X’s Constitution, with n. 6 of Pope Paul IV’s constitution, because the latter speaks both of the right to vote and be voted for (electio activa et passiva), and of his censure when an election is to be or not to be considered valid; but the former speaks only of electio activa et passiva. These are two different things, as is obvious, since the latter, as I have said in my article in August, regards the right of the faithful to regard or not regard an election valid or not, whereas the former regards the right of a Cardinal to vote and be voted for. Those ignorant of Latin think that the right to be voted for, means the right to be elected, since they confound “being voted for” with “being elected”. The modern concept of “being elected” refers technically to “being voted for by the needed majority AND accepting the election”, but the Latin concepts of  electio activa et passiva, only refer to casting votes and receiving votes in one’s favor during the procedure of the Conclave.

However, Grant quotes for his position, Fr. Wernz-Vidal’s general statement, found in Wernz-Vidal, Jus Canonicum, t. 2, Rome, 1928. Tit. VIII, n. 413, p. 403. You can see Grant’s Footnote 21 for the Latin and his English translation of it. — This noted author, however, as has been seen from what I just said, obviously never read the footnotes which the Saintly Pope used in his Apostolic Constitution, since by placing footnotes to cite the previous laws which in regard to Papal Elections, which are to be suspended during elections of this kind, he has expressly restricted the limit of his own suspension. — Also, to say, “suspend” is not to say “abrogate”, since to suspend merely stays the application for a limited time. And since the determination of the validity of an election obviously takes place after the election, even this passage would not suspend anything at such a time, even if it referred to Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio.

Thus, I believe, Grant’s first argument against my position is entirely destroyed.

My Refutation of Grant’s Second Position

Grant’s second salvo against my argument follows immediately after his first. For he holds that my citation of Canon 2265 of the 1917 Code is inappropriate. And in this he advances his principal error, as he says:

… the 1917 code has a different scope. Moreover, it does not specifically address the situation with the Roman Pontiff, and the code is silent about how to proceed in that case, leaving us to turn to the dogmatic theologians …

For here he appeals to private authors to interpret papal law, which, as I said above, is a grave error and violates the very principal of ecclesiastical jurisprudence that only the authority issuing a law can interpret it.

Thus it is that he has usurped Papal Authority, perhaps without realizing it, since in a clear matter of omission, one cannot appeal to dogmatic theologians for anything.

And I cannot shout this out louder, since I have been shouting it since 2018:

THE CESSATION OF RIGHT IS NEVER PRESUMED.

Thus if the code of 1917 or 1983 clearly and explicitly does not alter the standing of a papal precept, we can never lawfully or morally presume that papal precept is no longer in force.

However, he makes his assertion of an erroneous principal of interpretation while conceding to me that the Code have not spoken of this matter, and thus concedes my argument, since, if the 1917 Code has not expressly established any other discipline, then, my argument, which holds that because it does not, the former remains in force, is completely validated, since as Christ declares, “Whatsoever you bind upon Earth shall be bound in Heaven …”, in Whose Royal Decree we find no clause such as, “and it shall not remain in force in the future, if some dogmatic theologian opines that it does not”.

Finally, I will omit a refutation of Grant’s false allegation, made in passing, later in his tract, that I hold that there is a footnote in canon 188, as I never made such a claim. I spoke of a footnote in a commentary on Canon Law.

Conclusion

Grant’s article was heavily criticized by “Chris Jackson” here, though ineptly since he does not know the first thing about jurisprudence or theological distinctions, not to mention following the erroneous approach of many sedevacantists, who falling into the same error as Grant, have recourse to erroneous arguments that the Bull remains valid because it contains infallible teaching, not distinguishing properly between a disciplinary and a dogmatic decree.**

I welcome Grant’s attempt to rebut this my present refutation. But I will not demand a response, since I do not want my brother in Christ to publicly shame himself by advancing any more unfounded arguments to make his point.

Thus, that the Bull of Pope Paul IV, Cum ex apostolatus offcio, in n. 6, in regard to the right of Catholics to hold the election of a Cardinal in a Conclave as invalid if he has previously (1) fallen into heresy, or (2) joined a Schism, or (3) deviated from the Catholic Faith, without repenting prior to his acceptance of his election, remains IN FORCE AND IN FULL EFFECT AND OF DIVINE AND PAPAL AUTHORITY, until a future pope, if he will or dare, explicitly refutes it, or in some other way effectively abolishes it.


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** Jackson publishes his critique of Grant on the Chinese based Substack platform, without mentioning my name of course, since Jackson’s handlers forbid him to do that, since all hell would break lose in his pysop if his readers came to know of my writings on the Conclave of 2025 or the Conclave of 2013. ( In the comments there, it appears there is a number of Zionist bots who claim that I am paid to say what I say, have never called for the abolition of Vatican II, and unfairly criticize “the annointed of Jakob”. But worse of all, I raise money to help the poor, suffering and canonically abused. That is unforgivable. — The only substantial criticism seems to confirm what AJ and I have said, that the C. J. operation is a MI6 operation, since they are incensed in that com thread that we together outted Lefebrve’s father as a MI6 agent, HERE) Jackson for his or her or its part lauds the Archbishop and finds nothing wrong with his father being an intel agent working for the United Kingdom. — As for “the annointed of Jakob”, he is living up to all the sterotypes by accusing Grant of “distracting Catholics”, when AOJ has hidden the invalidity of the conclave and the work of Catholics at Rome to have a Catholic pope, just the like of the other USAID narrative supporting “Catholic” mainstream and “independent” media. This is astronomical hypocrisy.

Even Canonist Canale admits a Papal Election by Apostolic Right

Commentary and Criticism by Br. Alexis Bugnolo

Back in 2023, when the Faithful of Rome gathered to elect the successor of Pope Benedict XVI, on account of the grave and extraordinary circumstance of the defection of the entire College of Cardinals, because of their wilful conspiracy in the illegal Conclave of 2013, against the reigning Pontiff who never validly renounced his petrine munus, the Genoese Canonist Guido Ferro Canale, who holds a Doctorate in Canon Law, objected to the proceedings before the fact, in an article I refuted, HERE.

Three weeks later, evidently still wincing from my corrections, he penned the above article, entitled, “More on the Assembles which elect the Pope”, in which he discusses the history of jurisprudence and disputations on the question of electing the Roman Pontiff, and which was published on the website of Radio Spada, which is considered a far-right pro-sedevacantist website here in Northern Italy. However, I am reliably informed that Guido Ferro Canale is a Canon Lawyer accredited at the Roman Rota, in Rome.

I never knew of his refutation, so I will comment on it, now, since unwittingly, Canonist Canale two years ago explained how the Faithful of Rome this year of 2025 can indeed elect the Roman Pontiff in the quasi-impossible hypothetical occurrence when all the Cardinals defect from their duty to elect a Roman Pontiff legitimately.

I must say, that I have never encountered any scholar or lawyer who in attempting to refute me conceded nearly every argument I would move again in two years time. But the amazing literary production of Canonist Canale deserves mention and praise, even though we do not agree on all points.

However, quoting what he wrote more than two years ago will serve to silence the fake scholars out there who are claiming that the Faithful of Rome cannot act in the present circumstances of the illegal election of a formal manifest heretic, the conditions of which go beyond the impossible hypothetical conceived of by Canale in February, 2023.

The Hypothetical Impossibility of no Cardinals to elect a Pope

By “hypothetical impossibility”, I mean the possible case in which there are no Cardinals alive or no Cardinals willing to elect a pope according to the current law or laws in force for this. Each of these causes of the hypothetical impossibility are causes which in the juridical order are considered equivalent. Thus, whether there actually be no living Cardinal electors, or whether they all decide to violate the rules or elect a heretic, in jurisprudence the same question arises: what is to be done? how is a valid Catholic to be elected, then?

Canonist Canale discusses this under n. 3 of his above article, where he writes:

3. Un corpo elettorale di riserva?

Ci si è chiesti, naturalmente, cosa accadrebbe se dovesse venir meno l’intero Collegio cardinalizio: il dubbio precede di diversi secoli i problemi attuali e, anche se a suo tempo è stato discusso come tranquillo problema di scuola, non vi è unanimità tra gli autori. Per quanto ho appena detto, è chiaro che si tratta di un caso quasi impossibile, perché anche i Cardinali dubbi eleggerebbero validamente (e avrebbero, quindi, il diritto e il dovere di procedere); vale tuttavia la pena di riferire che le opinioni che si contendono il campo sono tre, perché secondo alcuni, venuto meno il Collegio, l’elezione del Papa spetterebbe ai canonici lateranensi, secondo altri si devolverebbe ai Pastori di grado inferiore e quindi al Concilio imperfetto, mentre la terza opinione afferma che, siccome il caso non è mai stato disciplinato, limitatamente ad esso debbono considerarsi tuttora in vigore le norme precedenti, come dire l’elezione “a clero e popolo” (17).

Which I translate into English, thus:

3. Is there a back-up Electorate?

It has also been asked, naturally, what would happen if the entire College of Cardinals would fail: the doubt has already been considered during the last few centuries before any such case has arisen, and has been considered as an easy problem in the schools, though there is no unanimity among authors. Inasmuch as I have already said, it is clear that it deals with a quasi impossible case, since even doubtfully valid Cardinals are able to validly elect a Pope (along with having the right to convene and prosecute such an election); however, its worth the while to list the three best argued opinions in the field, because according to some, if the College should fail, then the election of the Roman Pontiff would pertain to the Canons of the Lateran Basilica; second, that the election would devolve to clerics of lesser dignity, and thus to an imperfect Council; while the third opinion affirms, since the case has never been considered in any written law, regarding such a special case, the preceding norms in force would have to be resorted to, that is, to an election “by clergy and people”.

Here in footnote 17, he remarks that there is no author he can cite for the third opinion. That is because it is the opinion I have sustained, and I will let pass that he should have cited me in my scholastic question (English version, Italian version), which he certain knew of. But, that he cites it is at least the recognition that my opinion on this question deserves consideration alongside the greatest of canonists of the past, which is certainly the greatest compliment any living canonist has ever paid me. Thank you Doctor!

Canale then explains that there is no written law in the history of ecclesiastical jurisprudence which can resolve the differences of opinion here. Nevertheless, he excludes the first opinion, since in no papal legislation or council has the right to elect the Roman Pontiff been conceded to the canons of the Cathedral of Rome, the Lateran Basilica. He also excludes the second opinion, because among experts in ecclesiastical jurisprudence, there is an unresolved debate whether the office of Roman Pontiff is inextricable or not from the Bishop of Rome. If it is not, then the second opinion would fail, if I understand Canale correctly, in his previous article.

Finally, he speaks directly of my opinion, the third one, thus:

Non resta, allora, che rifarsi alla terza opinione, l’unica che possa invocare in proprio favore un sicuro fondamento positivo: la legge anteriore, che si presume non abrogata quando la nuova non regoli un qualche caso.

Which in English, I translate thus:

Nothing else remains, then, but to have recourse to the third opinion, the only one of which invokes in its own favor a secure positive foundation: the previous law, which one presumes is not abrogated when the new one does not regulate a specific case.

Thank you Doctor. It’s not every day, that a Franciscan Brother, who holds no degree in Canon Law, is honored with such respect by a Doctor of Canon Law.

After conceding that, the Jurist militates many of his own opinions, without any basis in positive law, even though he just praised the third opinion for having this quality. He holds that laity can pariticipate, but he argues they have only the right to veto. Second, he claims that clergy must be present, and cites as a precedent an election of an antipope by Louis of Bavaria in 1328 — not a good choice for a precedent, in my mind. And finally he claims that by “clergy” one must consider only those of the Diocese of Rome, without considering the fact that in the time of Saint Peter the Apostle there existed only two dioceses in Latium, Rome and Nepi. The suburbican did not yet exist, nor would they be called specifically suburbican until more than a 1000 years later.

What Canale does, which of course I find most objectionable, is that he specifically denies “apostolic right” as a category of right, in footnote 18, where he writes:

[18] Non si tratta comunque, beninteso, di un preteso ius apostolicum, categoria già di per sé inutile perché tutto ciò che gli Apostoli hanno disposto rientra o nel diritto divino oppure in quello umano: appunto perché siamo nel campo della semplice legge umana, la disciplina che si può supporre ancora in vigore per questo solo caso è quella immediatamente anteriore alla riserva dell’elezione ai Cardinali.

Which in English I translate as:

[18] This does not, however, if well understood, deal with the pretext of “apostolic right” (ius apostolicum), a category which is already per se useless, since everything which the Apostles did re-entered into either divine right or in human right: and indeed we are discussing simply human law, the discipline which one can suppose is still in force only for this case, is that which was immediately the prior one, which reserved the election to the Cardinals.

Here, Canale is, I believe, referring either to the Bull of Pope Nicholas II, In Nomine Domini, which was the first written papal law on the election of the Roman Pontiff which restricted the election to the Cardinals, or to the decision of the Apostle Saint Peter to grant this right to the Church at Rome. — Since Pope John Paul II in his own law, Universi Dominici Gregis, explicitly abrogates all previous papal laws, I think the stronger argument is that “the previous discipline” is that of Apostolic right, which no Pope can abrogate in principle, not that of Nicholas II, though, the difference is a small one, since in n. 3 of that Bull, Pope Nicholas II himself speaks of extraordinary circumstances and implicitly uses the same argument as Canale of recourse to a higher font of right, a thing which Cardinals Saint Peter Damnian and Hubert along with the Archdeacon Saint Hildebrand of Saona, did in the election of 1058, in Tuscany, at Sienna, when they elected Gerard, the Bishop of Florence, as Nicholas II, in the presence of a small number of clergy and laity of Rome.

Criticism

I do not think there is any need to refute Canale’s final denial, since it is patent to any reader that there is a substantial defect in subsuming ius apostolicum under Divine right, since in this case the historical circumstances have everything to do with the precise determinations of right in this extraordinary and nearly impossible case.

First, because by specifying the previous law as Apostolic Right, one founds the argument on the historical inspired decision of the Apostle Saint Peter, confirmed by the Apostle Saint Paul, to grant the election to the entire Roman Church, a Church which in the year of the Prince of the Apostle’s death included nearly all of Latium, excepting the Diocese of Nepi (which has never been part of a suburbican diocese). — Thus, clearly the right to vote pertains to all the members of that Church, not only the clergy, because there are no written restrictions of such a kind in the historical record. Also, the right to vote does not only pertain to the clergy of the Diocese of Rome but to at least all the suburbicans, which were part of Rome at the death of the Apostle, if not to all the rest of Lazio. Furthermore, it pertains to all the Catholic Clergy of Rome, not only to those of the Roman rite, but to all the rites simply because there was no such distinction of jurisdictions in the days of the Apostle.

Conclusion

Thus, the “Save Rome” Project is fully justified and its principles of right have, unwittingly, been approved of by one of the more famous Italian experts in canon law, two years ago, before he even conceived that an invalid election of a formal manifest heretic might make the impossible hypothetical even more impossible. For on account of the heretical nature of the election, there is even greater necessity to fill the office, as Pope Paul IV refers to in his own Constitution, “Cum ex apostolatus officio“, where he says Catholics have the right to fill the offices held by any heretics, immediately (cf. § 5). Since, even if all the clergy of Lazio adhere to the heretic Prevost, by that very fault, they forfeit even the deference owed through the ages to their preeminent position in the election of the Roman Pontiff. — Though in fact, by receiving the thousands of letters I have already sent out, and making no objections to my arguments and proposal of an election by Apostolic Right, if the Clergy of the Church at Rome remain silent after September 24, they will have tacitly conceded that the election can be called and a Catholic elected. And that is, in jurisprudence, tantamount to voting and to being present. And that is precisely why I wrote the clergy, so that they could exonerate themselves in the most facile manner possible.

Note: What I call an election by “apostolic right”, Canale calls an election by “positive right”, but we both refer to the same thing, an election by the clergy and faithful of Rome: thus in the title of this present article I have used the term more familiar to the readers of FromRome.Info.

Ed Condon, or how not to read the Law: 120+ Cardinal Electors O.K.?

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Critique by Br. Alexis Bugnolo

Back in March of this year, Ed Condon wrote an article (Click Above) about the rule of 120 Cardinal Electors in the Papal Law for the Election of the Roman Pontiff in a Conclave, Universi Dominici Gregis. I did not mention this article simply because I do not follow Condon or The Pillar per se. But as the readers of FromRome.info know, I attempt to Chronicle here at FromRome.Info all the important issues about the Catholic Church and the Vatican, so I bring it to your attention now for serious reasons.

And if you have been a long time reader of FromRome.Info, you know how many times I have pointed out The Pillar and Ed Condon for getting it wrong. It seems to be their habit. — For past reports about Condon and The Pillar, see HERE.

But now I have been informed by a very influential Catholic Layman, that a group of journalists are looking for Canon Lawyers to debunk claims that more than 120 Cardinal Electors voting at the same time in a Conclave, cause a Conclave to have no juridically valid result. — I need not say who they are attempting to refute, as that is obvious.

But one of the Scholars who is aware of this work of journalists recently asked me to comment on Ed Condon’s article, because the latter holds a doctorate in Canon Law. — Asked in a comment, about this, I replied already, but I think the reply deserves its own article, since in coming weeks we are apt to see the same erroneous arguments proposed to “refute” the Catholic position, cited as authoritative, along with a fair amount of ad hominem attacks at any who would question Condon’s approach.

Condon’s argument, in my judgement, is an inauthentic reading of the law. And since the number of ways of reading the law badly are infinite, but the right way, one, I do not think it is worthwhile addressing his errors in the Save Rome Project, but I will here at FromRome.Info.  — I think this reply will be useful to all Catholics, to share on social media, whenever and wherever they hear the claim that “Ed Condon has refuted Br. Alexis Bugnolo about the rule of 120”.

A CRITIQUE OF CONDON’S ARGUMENT THAT 120+ HAS NO JURIDICAL EFFECT ON THE VALIDITY OF THE OUTCOME OF A CONCLAVE

Question: Br. Bugnolo, what do you think about Ed Condon’s Article from March of this Year?
Answer: When n. 33 of the Papal Law, Universi Dominici Gregis, says, “Let the maximum number of Cardinal electors not exceed 120”, I do not have to think, I only have to read to know the answer.

But, as the Cardinals on April 30, 2025, claimed to have received a dispensation to allow 133 Cardinal Electors to participate in the Conclave, they also disagree with Condon’s claim that 120+ cardinal electors is not at all problematic. — Readers can read my refutation of the Cardinals’ self-serving claim, which involves different reasoning and a patent canonical error, here.

As for Ed Condon, who does not cite the canons upon which he bases his claims, what can I say, because he seems to be arguing from a bad memory of the canons, when he implies that the creation of a Cardinal concedes by them the right to vote in a Conclave, in the very act of being created a cardinal?

The Code of Canon Law does not say that, since in Canon 351 §2, it only speaks of the moment in which a man, being created a Cardinal, enjoys the right and privileges of being a member of the College.

But the actual right to vote in a Conclave is acquired by a confluence of the prescriptions of papal law on conclaves and historical conditions, namely, being under 80 years of age on the day before the Death or resignation of the Pope, and being present in a Conclave, whereupon n. 36 of UDG concedes the right to vote to those who qualify but always under the restriction of n. 33, as n. 36 itself says.

Since the argument turns about UDG n. 33 and n. 36, I will now cite them in Latin and give their English translation:

33. Ius eligendi Romanum Pontificem ad Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae Cardinales exclusive pertinet, iis exceptis qui ante diem mortis Summi Pontificis vel ante diem quo Sedes Apostolica vacavit octogesimum aetatis annum iam confecerunt. Maximus autem Cardinalium electorum numerus centum viginti ne excedat. Prorsus ergo excluditur quodlibet electionis activae ius cuiuspiam alterius ecclesiasticae dignitatis aut laicae potestatis cuiusvis gradus et ordinis interventus.

36. Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae Cardinalis, dummodo creatus renuntiatusque in Consistorio sit, hac ipsa de causa ius eligendi Pontificis possidet secundum huius Constitutionis praescriptum in n. 33, etiamsi nondum ipsi pileus est impositus neque anulus creditus neque ius iurandum is pronuntiavit. Non tamen hoc iure fruuntur Cardinales canonice depositi aut qui, consentiente Romano Pontifice, dignitati cardinalitiae renuntiaverunt. Praeterea non licet Cardinalium Collegio, Sede vacante, eos restituere.

My own English translation:

33. The right of electing (ius eligendi) the Roman Pontiff pertains exclusively to the Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, except those who have already completed the 80th year of age before the day of the of the death of the Supreme Pontiff and/or before the day on which he vacates the Apostolic See.  Moreover, let the maximum number of Cardinal Electors not exceed 120.  Therefore, there is thoroughly excluded whatever right of active voice (electionis activae) of whatsoever other ecclesiastical dignity or the intervention of lay authority of whatever grade and order.

36. A Cardinal of the Holy Roman Church, so long as he be created and announced in Consistory, possesses from this very cause the right of electing the Pontiff according to (secundum) the prescription (praesecriptum) of this Constitution in n. 33, even if (etiamsi) there has not yet been imposed upon him the red biretta or ring or (even if) he has (not yet) promised the oath.  However, the Cardinals canonically deposed do not enjoy this right nor those, who with the consent of the Roman Pontiff, have renounced the dignity of the Cardinalate.  Moreover, it is not licit that they be restored (to this dignity), during a Sedevacante by the College of Cardinals.

And for clarity sake, when I speak of the “right to vote”, I am speaking of the faculty to vote in a Conclave, during a conclave. I am not speaking of the juridical causes of having that faculty, which are multiple: nomination as a Cardinal  and meeting the requirements of UDG n. 33. And I believe this is the same sense of “right to elect” (ius eligendi), which the the papal law speaks of in UDG nn. 33 and 36.

It is significant that UDG n. 36 does NOT speak of ALL cardinals, but of a cardinal, and thus is descriptive rather than prescriptive, a thing evident by its grammatical structure wherein its affirmation is followed by ‘etiamsi”, to clarify that this right to vote is not determined by the lesser rituals of receiving the ring or biretta, in a ceremony, but has its causes in juridical acts. So n. 36 is obviously directed at defending the right of one of these 120 if it were to be challenged on the basis of an elector who was not present at such a ceremony (e.g. the pope dies after publishing the nomination, and announcing it in consistory, but the nominated Cardinal because of sickness or problems of travel from countries were the govt. did not grant permission, was not present for the ceremony).

And indeed UDG n. 36 says that the right to vote is conceded by UDG, “secundum” to the prescription of UDG n. 33, subordinating thus its description to the prescription of n. 33, which limits their number to 120. Moreover, since Cardinals who are older than 80 years of age when they are nominated are clearly not intended to be granted the right to vote according to the terms of UDG n. 36, it is clear that the context of n. 36 presumes all the conditions already established by UDG in paragraphs prior to n. 36, and thus is not speaking of all cardinals, but the 120 electors mentioned in n. 33. — Nor can it be claimed that “praescriptum” in UDG n. 36, refers only to the first sentence of UDG n. 33, since Latin would require a different term or a combination of terms to signify that, such as “according to the prescription about this matter in UDG n. 33) (secundum … praescriptum de hac re in n 33). Indeed, in English we are a loss to express the generic sense of the Latin word “praescriptum”, since we must preface “prescription” with a definitive article, “the”, which the Latin language does not have. So in English it appears to refer to a particular single thing, but the Latin refers to a generic whole thing, that is the entire prescriptive norm: which regards age of Cardinals, number of Cardinals, and legal status of their dignity as a Cardinal, all of which govern what is said, thus, in this phrase of UDG. n. 36.

Also the custom of jurisprudence holds that every term in a law is restricted by definitions or restrictions which precede it in the same law. Thus you cannot argue from UDG 36 to a violation of UDG 33.

And indeed, if you could, the Cardinals in UDG n. 5 have the right to interpret UDG 36, but they did NOT use that right, thus conceding that such an argument of interpretation cannot be made. Even the rules of Latin show this to be the case since everything which is “secundum” is said to follow that which it is according to.

So Condon’s argument is simply based on ignorance and sloppy reading of the law, because UDG n. 33 does not restrict the Pope’s power to create cardinals, only how many can vote at any one time in a Conclave.

And indeed, the historical record of creating more Cardinals, which he attempts to use to justify more than 120 voting, does not serve him in his argument, since a pope creates Cardinals for many reasons, and not only to vote for his successor, since not having knowledge of the future, he cannot know in the act of creating a man a cardinal, if that man will ever vote in a Conclave: thus he makes provision for the Conclave, whereupon prudence, which is the virtue which governs provision, inclines him to make more than the number needed or prescribed. If a Pope intended something more, he would have to also derogate UDG 4 and grant a dispensation from UDG n. 33, or derogate n. 33, and such a derogation would have had to be published in the Acta Apostolica Sedes. Thus, Condon seems to be confounding one of the juridical causes of the right to vote (jus in causa), with the faculty to exercise that right in a Conclave (ius reale).

As for Condon trying to use a historical circumstance to create a basis for his interpretation, what can I say, other than that in UDG n.1, the papal law removes from the jurisdiction of the College of Cardinals the right to interpret anything regarding the juridical acts of the deceased Roman Pontiff, but Ed thinks that he can, even though he is not superior to the Cardinals.

Condon seems also have forgotten how to read Latin. Because he wants by his argument that the restriction in n. 33 be read descriptively and not prescriptively, such as if it read, “It is convenient that there be no more than 120”, or “It is good that the number of Cardinal Electors be no more than 120”. But John Paul II used prescriptive language, which is legally binding and makes more than 120 cardinals something which is juridically CONTRARY to the prescription, when he used the hortatory subjunctive with an exclusive term “Let the MAXIMUM .. NOT … EXCEED “, thus placing the violation of n. 33 under the censure of the penultimate paragraph of UDG for all things contrary to the Constitution by persons of whatsoever dignity.

As for Condon’s conclusion that “no one has the power” to exclude a Cardinal from the Conclave, what can I say, but that he forgot that n. 33 was written by the Vicar of Christ, to whom Our Lord said, “Whatsoever you bind upon earth, shall be bound in heaven …”

Finally, one observation: it appears that Condon is failing to recognize that the Papal Law, UDG, is not operative except during a sedevacante. So when it speaks of anything in the prior pontificate, it does so to explain what it means by its own prescriptions. Thus, when it says that the 120 Cardinal electors have the right to vote from when then are nominated Cardinals, not when they receive the biretta or ring, it is explaining the reckoning it is using during a sedevacante to determine who those 120 are. Not being operative before the sedevacante, it is inaccurate to claim that Cardinals during the life of the Roman Pontiff are granted the right to vote by that law. This is also the problem of the Cardinals’ declaration of April 30. And in fact. n. 36 when read in this context seems to be indicating the criterion by which if there are more than 120 cardinals, it can be determined who of them is among the 120 by the precedence of their nominations.

As for Ed Condon’s approach, in its global entirety: I hold that if you read ecclesiastical laws or canons in such a way, with the purpose to argue that they do not mean what they say, that you have not only taken a position which is inimical to the law, and highly probable to lead to an inauthentic interpretation, but that your manner of argumentation will make you appear to be a consiglieri of some sort of organized criminal organization.

As for the Conclave of May 2025: Let’s not even mention the gross claim of the Cardinals to have a dispensation, though they have no document to prove it and only made the claim 6 months later, when it served them to claim it.

For more on this, see https://www.fromrome.info/2025/06/25/a-canonical-analysis-of-why-the-conclave-of-may-2025-had-no-valid-result/

Note to Canon Lawyers or Journalists who read this article: If you have any questions about these matters leave a comment below or at the About Page, here at FromRome.Info, and I will give you a reply if your question regards Canon Law or the Papal Law or this problem of 120+ Cardinals.

NOTE TO READERS: If you have any questions about Condon’s argument, which regard topics I have not covered, ask me below, so I can make my reply more complete, since, in the above, I have only responded to the erroneous principles by which he advances his opinion.

As to those who say, “Why should I accept that Condon who has a doctorate in Canon Law is wrong, and Br. Bugnolo, who holds no degree in Canon Law is right?” — I respond: if you cannot infer that from the above, either you do not have eyes to see what all with eyes can see, or you do not permit yourself to think anything which is not in harmony with the ruling elites, or simply you are of that species of mankind which cares so little for truth, that the use of human language is superfluous. — And thus, you have wasted your time reading the above article.

Let the Martyrs of the Church at Rome, be my witness

by Br. Alexis Bugnolo

On today’s Feast of all the Martyrs of the Church at Rome, all 180 thousand of them, I wish to publicly state that it has been 20 days, as of today, since I challenged every priest and layman and religious in the Diocese of Rome, who has a doctorate in ecclesiastical jurisprudence to attempt to refute my claim that the Conclave of May 7-8, 2025, had no valid juridical result, and that Cardinal Prevost is not Pope Leo XIV.

And as of today, not a single priest or canonist in all the City has dared so much as to contradict my argument in any point, even though I have sent out about 2100 letters, explaining it, after my initial offer of a debate. My challenge is known even at the Vicariate of Rome, where the Cardinal Vicar’s office is found, since I have the IP of the Vicariate in the logs of those who have visited ChiesaRomana.Info, where I have posted my argument in Italian.

I make this publicly known, because silence means consent. If after 90 days, no one publishes a refutation, then canonically the presumption is that the Conclave is not only invalid on account of the discrepancy of the behavior of the Cardinals with the norm of the Papal Law on Conclaves, but that the Church at Rome has tacitly accepted that it is invalid.

This canonical fact will be just as important as what happened in the winter of 2019-2020, when I similarly challenged every canonist in the city to refute my argument that Pope Benedict XVI was till the pope, and none did; because the day will come, when this silence will be cited by a Roman Pontiff as the sensus fidelium proof that these things were true, and that the contrary was indefensible.

And I post this testimony of my own, today, to show that those who hate the truth, who think their silence means victory, might know that the contrary is the truth in the sight of God and of His Holy Roman, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

A Canonical Analysis of why the Conclave of May 2025 had no valid result

On account of the Violation of the Prescriptions of the Papal Laws of Pope John Paul II and Paul IV

by Br. Alexis Bugnolo

VERSIONE ITALIANA

This is an article for Catholics who want to think about and know the laws of the Church and the legal problems in the Conclave of 2025. Set aside at least 30 minutes to read this article.

However, if you want to read a short, direct exposition, instead of a long article, simply read the Open Letter to a Cardinal, here.

PART I: On the Violations of the Prescriptions of the Papal Law of John Paul II

AN INTRODUCTION

As I wrote back in 2020, at the conclusion of my article where I reposted the accusations by Bishop Donald Sandborn about pedophilia among the priests of the Society of Saint Pius X,

Finally, who is and who is not the pope is not a matter of opinion. It is determined by the norm of Canon Law and by the judgement of the Church in cases of doubt. Though we can in controversial cases make personal judgements and be required to do so, we must nevertheless recognize that the terms of Canon Law or Papal Law are determinative and objective and lead to conclusions which are not opinions but obligatory for all.

And if in the many years of discussing problems in the so-called Conclave of 2013, I have noticed any difficulty for Catholics even to hear out the argument, it is this: that since most Catholics know nothing of the laws of the Church, they are not willing to risk to enter into a discussion that they do not understand.

I cannot blame them for that, since there is not a small amount of intellectual humility and reasonable caution about the matter, if when speaking about the election of the Pope they encounter a fellow Catholic say, “Do you know that the Conclave rules were broken and that X is not the true Pope?” For they classify such a claim as equivalent to saying, “Let me explain to you why all the Catholics you know and respect, including clergy and religious, are being deceived or fooled.”

Admittedly, for someone who has never ventured to question if the Dominant Narrative they have been fed is true or not, such a suggestion is lunacy, or at least so seemingly improbable that it does not merit the time to consider it.

And this is how most Catholics were fooled into taking the deadly and dangerous “Covid” “vaccines”, which were experimental shots containing more than 53 agents to kill you. Since everyone on TV, Radio and the Internet was saying the same thing, they believed there was a Pandemic and that only the Covid “Vaccine” could save you, even though if they ever doubted it was not hard to find someone questioning it IF they had already begun to ask questions and think for themselves.

Alas, there are still many who believe the Covid Narrative, and claim there was a pandemic, and nothing was wrong about it. And that includes about 95% of the Clergy.

So I can understand well how many Catholics still have not realized that just because someone is kind, friendly, helpful, or a priest or religious or bishop, that that does NOT guarantee that they are worthy of being trusted in all matters. But I can understand how simple Catholics simply believe everything priests tell them, even though I know that if you have some intelligence, the last 65 years should have been enough time to realize that not every priest is honest, virtuous, or trustworthy.

So confronting the suggestion of a fellow Catholic to look into the Conclave of May 2025, because they claim there were grave legal problems in it, or that it did not validly elect Cardinal Prevost as Leo XIV, is for such Catholics perhaps impossible to consider.

But  for Catholics who have begun to use the faculties of their own intellect, which God gave them, and who want to know the truth, because they love the truth, what follows here is my detailed legal explanation of why the Conclave broke so many rules that it had no legally valid outcome, and that therefore, Cardinal Prevost was never validly elected the Pope.

First, this has absolutely nothing to do with whether I like Cardinal Prevost or not, or whether he is an America, Peruvian, Italian American etc., Augustinian etc.. What follows merely regards the rules on how a man is supposed to be elected pope and what the Popes say is the result of such an election when it does not follow the rules.

Second, these legal problems have nothing to do with alleged conspiracies or plots which took place during the Conclave, the violation of secrets, hearsay or suspicions. The entire exposition which follows is based merely on facts and how they are not consonant with the laws of the Church regarding a valid election.

Now if you want a short, direct exposition, instead of a long article, simply read the Open Letter to a Cardinal, here.

And finally, if you do not admit that the truth can be known, but that only opinions can be had of it, you can still read the article which follows, though your profit from doing so won’t be as great. Think about the arguments, and if you can find any error in the exposition I offer, leave a comment below, because unlike all other Catholic sites you may read, I appreciate those who find errors or propose coherent counter arguments, though I am confident that the legal problems in the Conclave are so clear as to make any direct attack on the argumentation I present impossible.

The Press Release of April 30: the claim to have a dispensation

The first legal problem results from the Press Release authorized by the Cardinals present in General Congregation for the Conclave, on April 30, 2025, which text was published by Vatican News, HERE, an by the Vatican Website, HERE.  That release spoke of two things, (1) the claim of the Cardinals to have received a dispensation from Pope Francis, and (2) matters regarding the presence of specific Cardinals at the Conclave.

Here is that text of that Claim:

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Declaration of the Congregation of Cardinals, 30.04.2025

The Congregation of Cardinals wishes to make public the following two matters of a procedural nature, on which it has reflected and debated in recent days:

1)    Regarding the Cardinal electors, the Congregation has revealed that His Holiness Francis, by creating a number of Cardinals higher than the 120 stipulated by no. 33 of the Apostolic Constitution Universi Dominici Gregis of Saint John Paul II, of 22 February 1996, in the exercise of his supreme power, has dispensed with this legislative provision, whereby the Cardinals exceeding the set limit have acquired, in accordance with No. 36 of the same Apostolic Constitution, the right to elect the Roman Pontiff, from the moment of their creation and publication;

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Legal Problems with the Claim of April 30

1. Founded upon the revelation of a fact not publicly known

The legal problems in this Press Release are immediately obvious. First, the Cardinals claim to be revealing something which was not publicly known. This is outstanding, since the last time was 1130 A. D., that the Cardinals have made a claim, before a Papal Election, that the prior, now deceased Pope, had made some decision which would have effected in some way the manner of the election. — When the thing to be revealed is documented, there is no problem, but a secret which is not documented can never have force of right or law — this is an ancient principle of Roman jurisprudence.

And it is even more astounding, that the Cardinals say that only now they are revealing to the world, that this decision was made, even though they refer to an event on Dec. 8, 2024, nearly 6 months before!

If you want to understand how radically problematic this is, just call up any Estate Attorney, who deals with inheritances, and ask him what would be the legal value, if the heirs of someone who has passed away, claim before the reading of the will, that they had secret knowledge of how the deceased wanted his will to read, which they are only now revealing.

2. A Patent Conflict of Interest underlies the claim

The second problem is also obvious: the claim by the Cardinals is colored by self-interest, since the claim allows 13 more of them to vote during the Conclave than the rule of the Papal Law,

3. The claim runs counter to a formal precept or prescription of written law

Universi Dominici Gregis, promulgated by Pope John Paul II (Text Here), specifically regulates the number of Cardinals who can vote in a Conclave, in paragraph n. 33, which reads in the Latin:

Maximus autem Cardinalium electorum numerus centum viginti ne excedat.

Or, in English, “Moreover, let the maximum number of Cardinal electors not exceed one-hundred and twenty.”

As is clear to anyone, this verbal statement is a command. In law it is called a precept, or prescription. A precept refers to a rule which is laid down before some action is to be undertaken; a prescription is a rule written beforehand in a binding text.

The Papal Law on Conclaves is a Constitution, because it explains completely how a Pope is to be elected, in the normal course of things. It was promulgated by the Vicar of Christ, Pope John Paul II, and as such represents the binding obligatory norm, which no one can obviate or ignore.

So to claim that you have a dispensation to not follow part of it, is really a momentous claim, not any small thing.

4. The Claim is not supported by any written document

Thus, when examining the claim, it becomes obvious that there is something very wrong: first of all, that their claim has no evidence of being true. That is, they are not making the claim, because they have a paper or document from Pope Francis formally granting this dispensation from the rule of no more than 120 Cardinal electors participating in the Conclave at any one time.

5. The Claim cites no specific verbal statement by Pope Francis

What is even more amazing, is that the Cardinals are making a claim without even citing any specific moment, in time or space, when they all heard from Pope Francis’ lips some same utterance in which he granted such a dispensation, or words equivalent.  This is totally extraordinary. Such a claim would not even meet the most basic requirements for evidence to be admitted to any court of law in the world!

6. The Claim involves an interpretation of another legal act by persons without any authority to interpret such an act, as Canon 16 and UDG 1 declare
No authority to Interpret

And to add offense to injury, the Cardinals are claiming that a specific act of Pope Francis was equivalent to granting the dispensation which they claim to have.  This is really outstanding, to speak in the most gentle terminology! Because if the legal act has such a meaning, the Cardinals could well cite the law that declares this. But no such law exists. And that they cite no such law or document which declares that the naming of more Cardinals than 120 by that very fact dispenses from the rule, they have conceded that there is no such document or law.

And this is very serious: because in Canon Law, canon 16 §1, the Cardinals do NOT have the authority to interpret Papal acts, unless this has been granted to them by some Pope or Canon of the Code of Canon Law. Here is the Latin of that canon:

Canon 16 §1. Leges authentice interpretatur legislator et is cui potestas authentice interpretandi fuerit ab eodem commissa.

Or in English,

Canon 16 §1. The legislator and the one to whom the authority to authentically interpret them has been given by the same, authentically interpret the laws.

So if the Cardinals’ claim implies an interpretation, which it obviously does, since they claim the act of naming Cardinals has a juridical effect, which no papal law says it has, they have to quote some Papal Law which granted them this authority to interpret the papal act in this manner.  Thus their implicit claim to interpret has no foundation either in the law or in the grant of the authority to interpret. This is simply outrageous.

Faulty reading of the Law

I have mentioned before, elsewhere, but it is worth the while to repeat it here, that the Claim of the Cardinals contains an incoherent and false argument, since they say that UDG n. 36 gives all of them the right to vote in Conclave, even though UDG n. 36 expressly makes its declaration bound by the strictures in UDG. n. 33, which limits the number of Electors during the Conclave to 120. — Moreover, they seem not even to be able to read, because UDG n. 33 does not place restrictions on how many Cardinals a pope can nominate, it only places a restriction on how many can vote at any single time during a Conclave! Thus, their pretense that there is some sort of connection between the act of being named a cardinal and the right to vote is totally vacuous and inane, a reading which is based on an interpretive presumption, which they have no right to make since they are not legislators.

Matter about which they claim to interpret, excluded by UDG n. 1

In addition, I wish to add here, from the observation of the commentator below — thank you Giuseppina! — that UDG n. 1 forbids the Cardinals all authority and right to make ex post facto declarations about the actions of the deceased Roman Pontiff,

1. Sede Apostolica vacante, Cardinalium Collegium nullam potestatem aut iurisdictionem habet in ea quae pertinebant ad Summum Pontificem dum vivebat vel muneribus officii sui fungebatur; ea omnia exclusive uni Pontifici futuro debent reservari. Quapropter invalidum et irritum esse decernimus quidquid potestatis aut iurisdictionis – ad Romanum Pontificem dum vivit pertinentes, vel ad perfunctionem officii ipsius – coetus ipse Cardinalium duxerit exercendum nisi quatenus in hac Nostra Constitutione expresse permittatur.

Which in English would be:

1. With the Apostolic See vacant, the College of Cardinals has no authority or jurisdiction in those things which pertained to the Supreme Pontiff while he lived and/or while he exercised the munera of his Office; all these things ought to be reserved exclusively to the next future Pontiff.  On which account, We judge as invalid and irritus whatever of authority or jurisdiction — pertaining to the Roman Pontiff while he lived and/or to the performance of his office — the congregation of the Cardinals itself would decide to do except to the extent that it be expressly permitted in this Our Constitution.

Thus, it should be clear that the Cardinals never had any authority to interpret the act of being nominated Cardinals as having the right to vote in the Conclave, since over that act by the deceased Roman Pontiff they never had any authority or jurisdiction whatsoever, not even to interpret it has having such a inherent or consequential effect.

7. The Claim of the Cardinals is explicitly nullified by UDG n. 4

On top of all these legal problems, the Papal Law of Pope John Paul II, Universi Dominic Gregis, in paragraph n. 4, explicitly says that no laws can be dispensed from during a sede vacante, and that if anyone claims to have such a dispensation, no matter how they claim it, their claim is null and void:

    1. Sede Apostolica vacante, leges a Romanis Pontificibus latas non licet ullo modo corrigi vel immutari, neque quidquam detrahi iis sive addi vel dispensari circa partes earum, maxime eas, quae ad ordinandum negotium electionis Summi Pontificis pertinent. Si quid contra hoc praescriptum fieri vel attentari contigerit, id suprema Nostra auctoritate nullum et irritum declaramus.

Which in English, would be:

    1. With the Apostolic See vacant, it is not licit that the laws promulgated by the Roman Pontiffs, be in any way corrected and/or changed, nor that anything whatsoever be taken away from or added to them and/or dispensed from concerning their parts. most of all those, which pertain to the ordering of the business of electing the Roman Pontiff. If anything would happen to be done and/or attempted against this prescription, We, by Our Supreme Authority declare it null and irritus.

Here, “null” means it is to be treated as of no value, and “irritus”, as having never been done or granted. And since this prescription in UDG n. 4, does NOT say, “During a sede vacante no one can dispense, or receive a dispensation”, but rather “With the sede vacante, it is not licit in any manner that any laws be dispensed from”, not only is the claim that Pope Francis dispensed, while he was alive, of no value to escape the nullification by this precept, but even if he had, such a dispensation could not be used regarding any part of any papal law, such as UDG n. 33, where the maximum number of cardinal electors is set at 120. — In other words, dispensations by their very nature are impotent to change the observance of papal laws, after the death of a pope!

Objection: Pope Francis is the supreme legislator, so he can grant a dispensation, even though Pope John Paul II forbade it, because one pope cannot constrain another

Response: It is true that a living pope can alter the laws of his predecessors, since while alive he is the supreme legislator. But after he is dead, his decisions and wills no longer have the force of the authority as supreme legislator, because he no longer holds the office of Roman Pontiff.  The only way a pope can make his decisions and wills live on with authority is if he promulgate them in a law.

This is why when Pope John Paul II published his law on Conclaves and put the stricture of 120 Electors maximum in paragraph n. 33, and then forbade any dispensations from this rule in his general censure in paragraph n. 4, Pope Francis being dead cannot undo it. And Pope Francis in granting a dispensation while he was alive, would have granted a dispensation which could not be used, UNLESS he also granted the faculty to the same Cardinals of not being bound ALSO to UDG. n. 4.

Now as Pope he could have granted this. It would have been a legal act of derogation: that is a change in the law which would have value during the next Conclave. But a derogation would have to have been written, signed by Pope Francis in the presence of two witnesses an published in the Acta Apostolica Sedis, which is the official Gazette for legal acts by the Pope.

But the Cardinals do not claim or cite any such derogation from UDG n. 4. Thus their problematic claim to have a dispensation from UDG. n. 33, is worthless and of no juridical value.

Legal Consequences from the use of the claimed dispensation during the Conclave of May 2025

The legal consequences are severe, therefore, because of the legal error of the Cardinals, if we are to use the most polite language for their outrageous, unfounded, unlawful claim, renders the election NULL, IRRITUS and INVALID, conferring no right upon Cardinal Prevost.

EXPLANATION:

For when the Conclave began in its secret sessions of voting, UDG n. 68 required them to determine if the number of ballots cast is equal to the number of Cardinal electors present:

Quodsi schedularum numerus non respondet numero electorum, omnes comburendae sunt, et iterum, id est altera vice, ad suffragia ferenda procedatur; si vero schedularum numerus numero electorum respondet, subsequitur publicatio scrutinii, quae hoc modo fit.

Which in English reads:

…  Wherefore, if the number of ballots does not correspond with the number of electors, all are to be burnt and again, that is another time, the balloting is to be taken; if, however, the number of ballots corresponds to the number of electors, there follows the publication of the vote-tallies, which is done in this manner.

And since UDG n. 33 sets the maximum number of Cardinals who ca be present at 120, if more than 120 ballots are cast, UDG. n. 68 requires that the ballots be burnt and NOT counted. And thus in every session of voting when there was more than 120 Cardinal Electors present, no count was lawful, and thus no one could ever have been elected.

And from this conclusion there is no escaping, because the Cardinals cannot claim that 133 Cardinal Electors can vote, since n. 68 says nothing about the limit, for two reasons: first of all, n. 68 is a section of the law over which UDG 5 forbids them to use any interpretations; and second, they cannot pretend to use a dispensation to change the meaning of n. 68, when as it has been shown, that without a derogation from UDG n. 4, they cannot excuse themselves from the limit on the number of Cardinal electors in n. 33.

OR in other words, you cannot claim you have a piece of cake in your hand, which does not exist, and then claim you ate it, on top of that. That would just compound lie upon lie, for no false claim can be used to make another claim. Logic does not work that way. And Law does not work that way.

Thus, by counting the votes in the wrong way, when they should not have been counted, the tallies taken were IRRITUS, that is, taken against the norm of the prescription to be followed, and thus of no legal value, as if they had never been taken or counted.

And that we are certain that they were irritus, is had from the promulgatory censure in the penultimate paragraph of UDG, where it declares anything done by persons of whatsoever dignity “against this contitution”, is “irritus”. Because to allow more than 120 to vote is to act contrary to the precept in UDG n. 33 and to count more than 120 during the election is contrary to n. 68 read in the context of n. 33.

But even moreso, since UDG n. 76, in addition declares NULL and INVALID any Papal Election in which in the very act of voting any alteration is made:

76. Quodsi electio aliter celebrata fuerit, quam haec Constitutio statuit, aut non servatis condicionibus pariter hic praescriptis, electio eo ipso est nulla et invalida absque ulla declaratione, ideoque electo nullum ius tribuit.

Which in English is:

76. Wherefore, if the election will have been celebrated in another manner, than this Constitution has established, or with the conditions prescribed equally here not observed, the election for this very reason is null and invalid without any declaration, and for that reason grants no right upon the one elected.

This prescription addresses two parts of the Papal Law on Conclaves: first the entire constitution, “if the election … than this Constitution has established” — such as allowing 133 Cardinals to vote– and secondly the chapter in which UDG n. 76 is contained in, which includes n. 68: “or with the conditions prescribed equally here not observed” — such as counting 133 votes in each balloting session, though only 120 are allowed to vote. — And, the choice of the adverb, here, is very important: aliter, which in Latin means, “in another manner”, that is, in any other manner than. This adverb does not admit of degrees of difference, that is, it does not mean, “in any other significant manner”, or “in any other important manner”. It means simply “in any other manner”. So the conclusion is inescapable.

Please note, that I render “aliter” as “in another manner”, but this might mislead the English reader, since “aliter” does not mean “in alio modo”. Here, “in another manner” is my stylistic choice, not an affirmation about the modality or kind of election. You can translate “aliter” more directly with the English, “otherwise”, which is linguistically more correct. Thus, UDG n. 76 is not speaking of how to do the election, just about how it was done differently.

Thus, there is no escaping that the Conclave of May 2025 had no valid result and that Cardinal Prevost is not the Pope. And we do not have to petition anyone to declare this to make it so, it is so by the very fact of the discrepancy of what the Cardinals did with the prescriptions of the law.

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I have responded in detail to the argument of Ed Condon, at The Pillar, regarding the rule of 120 (here) in a comment to a previous article.

Ex-CIA Agent: Accept the Heretic Pope and shut up!

by Br. Alexis Bugnolo

As readers of FromRome.Info know, one of my pass-times is poking the self-declared ex-CIA Agent, Steve O’Reilley, who pontificates at “Roma Locuta est”, blog, a name he appears to have chosen for deep psychological reasons. The Latin phrase means “Rome has spoken”, which is a frequent maxim used in doctrinal or disciplinary tracts to cite the supreme authority of the Apostolic See. But taken crudely, it means “Shut up”, when used by persons who perhaps should not have even studied theology only a little bit, because the most dangerous thing in the world is only to know a little of something.

And as my readers know, Steve always get’s it wrong. I myself cannot figure out whether he is simply stupid or intentionally malicious, though I side on the Latter, since he is only consistent in being wrong, even when he must break the laws of logic to do it, or misquote the laws of the Church to engineer it.

I hate falsehood, so even though Stevie’s blog is read by no one, I give him the respect of refuting his more egegious lies for the benefit of my readers, because what Stevie launches today, usually ends up being repeated by the “fake opposition” media, who will say anything so long as you shut up and accept whatever Globalist agenda or leader is imposed on the world, today.

His latest screed is an attack on Dr. Mazza, attempting to slur him as a sedevacantist, which he is having a hard time doing, despite his lies, and instead has settled for coining a new slur-word, “Semivacantist”:

I will not wade through all the bovine like argumentation in this article, but am only going to refute the lies Stevie launches against the Papal Bull of Pope Paul IV, “Cum ex apostolatus officio”.

And I will not attempt to refute the charge that the Bull is an infallible act of the magisterium, because anyone who reads it, can clearly see it is a disciplinary document. But that it is a disciplinary document from nearly 475 years ago, does not mean it is no longer in force, as I have explained in my two essays on this bull from back in 2015, here, and here.

You can read the key part of the Bull which applies to the invalidity of the election of Cardinal Riggitano-Prevost, here, where you can also find links to the Latin and other translations in English, Italian and Spanish.

Stevie’s Citation does not exist in the 1917 Code of Canon Law

I will open by saying that if nothing else, Stevie is sneaky when he launches a lie. And in this case it is prove true, where he writes, the following (click to enlarge):

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As you can see he quotes a secondary source, rather than the Code of Canon Law of 1917, in which the source he cites claims that there is a prescription in canon 5 § 2, that abolishes the Papal Bull.

The problem is, that Canon 5 in the Code of Canon Law of 1917, does not have a § 2! Here is Canon 5, from the original Latin (IntraTex version):

Can. 5. Vigentes in praesens contra horum statuta canonum consuetudines sive universales sive particulares, si quidem ipsis canonibus expresse reprobentur, tanquam iuris corruptelae corrigantur, licet sint immemorabiles, neve sinantur in posterum reviviscere; aliae, quae quidem centenariae sint et immemorabiles, tolerari poterunt, si Ordinarii pro locorum ac personarum adiunctis existiment eas prudenter submoveri non posse; ceterae suppressae habeantur nisi expresse Codex aliud caveat.

Here is my English translation:

Canon 5. Existing customs, whether universal or particular, against the statutes of these Canons, if indeed they are reproved of by these Canons expressly, are to be corrected as corruption of law, even though they be immemorial, and let them not be allowed to revive hereafter; others, which indeed are centenary and immemorial, can be tolerated, if Ordinaries for the sake of those things adjoined to places and persons prudently judge that they cannot be removed; all others are to be held suppressed unless the Code expressly warns otherwise.

But since the Papal Bull of Paul IV is not a custom, but a papal law, it obviously not only has nothing to do with Canon 5, but is not suppressed (abrogated) by it.

But Stevie’s claim is just as False as his citation

So Stevie, who often quotes original sources, has chosen to quote a source which is wrong. That is what I call sneaky.

I think the canon he wants you to think he is citing, in the Code of 1917, is canon 6 § 5, which reads in the Latin:

5.deg. Quod ad poenas attinet, quarum in Codice nulla fit mentio, spirituales sint vel temporales, medicinales vel, ut vocant, vindicativae, latae vel ferendae sententiae, eae tanquam abrogatae habeantur;

Which in English, according to my translation is:

§ 5, What pertains to the punishments, of which nothing is mentioned in the Code, (whether) they be spiritual and/or temporal, medicinal and/or, as they say, vindictive, latae sententiae and/or with declared judgements, let them be held as abrogated.

But even here the argument would be fallacious, because in n. 6 of the Papal Bull no punishment is imposed, rather, the Pope merely declares the juridical validity of an otherwise valid legal act, null and void.

In Canon law, a punishment (poena) is a sanction imposed for a crime, and since being otherwise validly elected is not a crime, this abrogation has nothing to do with it. Moreover, Heresy as a crime is defined in both the 1917 and 1983 codes as an act contrary to an existing law, but clearly if there were such an existing law, Pope Paul IV would have cited it.

Moreover, it would be inauthentic to interpret the Bull as regarding the crime of heresy, because when Pope Paul IV declares invalid the election of anyone found to have favored heresy or spoken in a manner contrary to the Catholic Faith, given that the revealed and approved of truths of the Catholic Faith are quasi innumerable, and laws are finite in number, the context demonstrates he is not speaking of “crimes” in the juridical sense of the Church’s positive law (written law).

Indeed, it is clear from the entire context of the Papal Bull of Paul IV, in n. 6, that he is speaking of the sin of heresy, not the crime, for otherwise, the individual who won the election could be denounced for the crime and thus removed from office by secular authority, as some Greek or German Emperors did with antipopes, and Paul IV could simply have authorized that manner of procedure.

This is the brilliance and importance of what Pope Paul IV legislated in n. 6, as it grants to the Church, even to the present days, the legal right to defend Herself from all possibility of a heretic pope, even if his heresy has not yet been defined as such in any Council or tribunal, because since the Church must be protected from all deviations from Divine Revelation, it is absolutely necessary that no Pope be someone who rejects any part of that. And it is not hard, because in Baptism we all received this grace. Only those who have spoken against one or more revealed truths have lost it.

I know how much that runs against the CIA narrative, since it has been their objective since 1953 to introduce heresy to the Church so as to destroy Her from within. Thus, attacking the Bull of Paul IV is absolute necessity for these servants of Satan.

You quote Bellarmine? Come on …!

As regards Stevie’s claim that St. Robert Bellarmine allegedly spoke against a Papal Law, I totally doubt it, because he would have been prosecuted in a tribunal for it. But even if he has opined against it at the theoretical level, he was never a Pope, and has no authority to do away with a papal law by a mere opinion. Indeed claiming a Saint would do such a thing is totally Masonic and CIA like form of projecting your own perversion of mind on others. — As for the implicit claim that this Papal Bull cannot promulgate such a law, since such a law would cause chaos in the Church. Well, it has been 466 years and no Chaos has broken out in the Church on account of this law. Indeed, it’s clear that the law itself prevents heretical chaos breaking out, if Catholics unite to enforce it by insisting on the election of a Catholic.

Ratio iuris divinae et ecclesiasticae perpetuae

And if we look at the Papal Bull from the point of view of the Divine Right of the Church to be protected from heretics, and to have a Catholic as a Pope, since this right cannot be abolished since it is inherent in the Deposit of the Faith, what Paul IV is simply doing is legislating on the basis of this right, to clarify when precisely it most clearly exists and is in perpetual force. Thus, Catholics should presumptively doubt that the Church would ever abolish such a right, nay, it would be highly improbable that any law attempting to abolish such a right would meet the criterion for a just law, according to the teaching of Saint Thomas Aquinas, as an ordinance of right reason for the benefit of the community.

Again, this perpetual right of Divine and Ecclesiastical ordinance is an intimate guarantor of the infallible dogma of Papal Infallibility, and is concordant with it, since it balances, as it were, the claim that the Pope cannot err, with the right of the faithful not to have a heretic as pope, since by this law, no heretic could ever become the pope in an election governed by any papal law, in anything other than appearances, even if all the Cardinals and Bishops of the world, but a handful, follow such a heretic and want such a heretic.

Catholics of the past understood these things, and were able to act upon them spontaneously and immediately, because they were not plugged into the Matrix of Masonic lies and technology, which make it appear that if we remain at our keyboards or cellphones, we absolve ourselves of all responsibility for any real action in the real world.

For the record, Catholics at Rome are urging the election of a Catholic Pope, and you can read about that here.

How Apostolic Right and Papal Right differ tremendously

As for why an election by Apostolic Right is not bound by this papal law, this is because as soon as any election is governed by papal law, it is no longer by Apostolic Right; not to mention that this law explicitly refers to Cardinals, and thus regards an election in Conclave, and could not be extended to any other institutional electorate without Papal intervention.

Moreover, since the Apostle Saint Peter has more grace before Christ Jesus, the High Priest, than any Pope, while a pope can promulgate a law regarding a papal election, as soon as any pope does this, the election is not guaranteed the entirety of the favor which Christ bestows on St. Peter, as we see in the case of Pope Vigilius, who was an adherent of Monothelitism, before his election, but was converted on the spot, because he was elected by Apostolic Right, not by papal law.

For this reason, Pope Paul IV, cognizant that popes are not the equals of the Apostle, declares a perpetual right of the Church to refuse a heretic if elected under the rules of papal right.

This is why it is precisely those who know a man is a heretic but refuse to support the election of a Catholic who are guilty most of all if he be elected by Apostolic Right, since they force not only the electorate but Christ Himself to deal with a man who is disgusting to the Divine Majesty.

We saw this in January of 2023, when Stevie slurred what Catholics were to do at Rome as a “conclave”, and all the so-called “defenders” of Pope Benedict XVI, except the electorate the readers of FromRome.Info, immediately began using the same CIA-coined slur, showing both their adhesion to the Deep State and their radical hatred of the office of Saint Peter.

To this day they are all possessed with the most horrible hatred that the juridical order of the Church was restored, on that day, while every day proving they never had any good will, since none of them singly, nor any of them in concert with another, has ever done anything to see that Pope Benedict XVI have a valid successor. Indeed, their followers are the most bitter trolls and enemies, on all social media platforms, of the upcoming election of a Catholic pope.

For this reason, I refute Stevie’s lies now, lest this fake rabble start repeating them to justify their proven habitual hypocrisy. They will, because an abyss invokes another abyss. And true Catholics never even start down such a path of perfidy.

Mark Docherty forgets his principles, says Conclave will be valid

History and Commentary by Br. Alexis Bugnolo

It has been two years and nearly 5 months since the death of Pope Benedict XVI.

Back then, those who claimed he was the valid pope had to confront the reality that the See was vacant and there had to be a new election. Cardinal Re was duly informed by letter in the Vatican Post, and by two channels in Italy, one on YouTube and another a TV station at Rome. The latter aired 4 programs: one interviewing me on the problems in the renunciation, one interviewing me warning the Cardinals from the steps of the Basilica of Saint Peter’s in Chains, one listening to the press release issued on behalf of the Catholics calling for an election by Apostolic Right, and another which was an infomercial aired for nearly an entire week, to everyone in Lazio, announcing the time and place of the Election. All paid for by the readers of FromRome.info and perhaps a half-dozen of my Italian supporters.

Back then Mark Docherty and Ann Barnhardt would have none of it. And when the election results were in, they joined in a vicious bout of ridicule of those who attended. For Ann, I was the green frog like Friar who should have croaked, rather than participated in the Assembly.

But now Mark forgets his principles, and says the next Conclave will be valid

How did that happen, Mark? Seeing that some 80% of the cardinal electors were nominated by Pope Francis, and perhaps 60% of them while Pope Benedict XVI was the pope.

Two years ago, did you not sustain that a Conclave with fake Cardinals could not validly elect the pope?

Or do you now see that you and Ann were wrong to oppose those Catholics (readers of FromRome.Info) who actually worked to restore the juridical order in the Church by organizing and supporting the Catholics at Rome to elect their own Pope, a right they have from the Apostle, and a right they still enjoy when the entire College of Cardinals refuses to act?

How soon you have forgotten. But at FromRome.Info we document everything and have long memories.

On January 18, 2023: “An Antipope has no jurisdiction”, you said, Therefore, he could not appoint valid Cardinals to have a valid Conclave to elect his successor. Remember that?

Then on January 28, 2023: “Br. Bugnolo now threatening Eternal Helfire on anyone not supporting his Monday Marriot faux Conclave”, you said, Remember that? You said that faithful Catholics who held that Pope Benedict XVI never validly abdicated would hold a “faux Conclave”? Where did you get the “Conclave” accusation from, remember? Yes, it was Steve O’Reilley, the ex-CIA agent who dished up that slur, to prevent the public, psychologically, from even looking into the facts. In that article, you said, “As an act of fraternal charity, I want to alert the readership that this is hogwash.” — A very strange notion of “fraternal charity”, if I must say so.

How is it you disagreed with Stevie for 7 years, since he insisted the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI was valid, but now you agree to use his slur of a “Conclave”, knowing well what a Conclave is and is not, and knowing well that I never used that term in reference to the Assembly on January 30th?

Well then, how is the Conclave of 2025 not a “faux Conclave” according to what you have said in the past?

It is not a faux conclave? because all the Cardinal electors are valid cardinal electors precisely because Pope Francis was elected in a juridically valid manner on January 30, 2023? As Br. Hogwash said?

Or have you invented a new presto-magico juridical clause? where a Conclave is valid when Mark says it is, and not valid when Mark says it is not. And Mark can even say that a Conclave of faux Cardinals can be valid? And that an Assembly of the Faithful is a “Conclave”, when it is not; and that all popes in history were elected in Conclaves, which is actually false?

And as for your assertion that the election of Pope Martin V, at the end of the Great Western Schism (September 20, 1378 to November 11, 1417 A. D.), took place with valid and invalid cardinals, that is totally false: because, before the death of the true Pope, the Roman claimant, he came to an agreement with the other popes to accept their cardinals, while they agreed to elect no one else as pope until after his death. So all the Cardinals were valid electors.

Thus, this your recent post, this year, proves that one of us a blatant calumniator and libeler, and the other is at least consistent in what he claims, whether you like it or not.

So read that scripture again, about “Desire the rational milk”, because your position is totally irrational, and the rational milk you rejected 2 years and 2 months ago.

I have published this critique, because as I said two years ago: those who held that Pope Benedict XVI was pope until his death, will either have to become sedevacantists or accept that the election on January 30, 2023 was juridically valid, unless of course they dump their principles and pretend that invalid Cardinals can validly attend a Conclave, which is absurd. So either they have to lose their souls as sedevacantists, or lose their souls for dishonesty, or they can accept that election on January 30th.

And those are the facts, not a threat or even idle threat from anyone on earth.

All the Catholics who attended or supported that election did this for the love of all the Faithful, since without being communion with a valid successor of Saint Peter, we would all wander away from the saving truth of the Gospel. Pope Francis being validly and juridically elected thus, at least all the Faithful returned to communion with a validly elected Successor of Saint Peter, and all the Cardinals of whom were by that election, convalidated, as I explained on February 1, 2023 A. D. in my article: Canonical questions regarding the election of an antipope to the Papacy.

For more information see, “The Triumph of the Lamb of God“, which recounts the entire history regarding the election of Pope Benedict XVI’s successor, and which was published on Feb. 5, 2023 A. D..

The Article which launched “Sutri” as THE solution to the Crisis in the Church

Editor’s Note: The fake opposition of grifters who just want your likes, favs, shares, email subscriptions and money, have been lamenting the scandals perpetrated by Pope Francis for years, but never proposing solutions, because (1) they don’t have the courage, (2) and its counter-productive to grifting.

But FromRome.Info, in its aim to inform its readers not only of the problems and scandals in the Church, but of the solutions, was one of the first to make known in the West the article by Dr. Grzegorz Kucharczyk (a noted historian who writes for the Polish Magazine, “Polonia Christiana”), published in English, on September 7, 2018, entitled, “Waiting for the Gregorian Reform 2.0“, which reminded Christendom of the First Council of Sutri, which deposed 3 unworthy claimants to the Apostolic Throne.

Back in 2018, even Church Militant had the guts to make the article known to its readers. But now, no one is left standing, except FromRome.Info.  Back in 2018, even some Traditionalists mentioned it. But now they won’t touch it from the distance of a light year, a thing which shows that they are not about Tradition at all, but are in truth an operation which wants a side chapel, all to themselves, in a one world-religion.

I am reprinting this article by this noted Polish historian, because the previous links to it, from FromRome.Info are being flagged as “dangerous” by some security programs.  And to me, that means, that I should shout it out all the louder.

It is needless, to say, to the readers of FromRome.Info, who it is, who not only heard out what this Polish academic said, but investigated, researched, and studied canon law, to show how it can be done again today, and under what precise canonical and juridical conditions: The Sutri Initiative. For, many of you have joined and participated and already wrote the Bishops of the Roman Province asking for this.

So if anyone says, that Br. Bugnolo cooked up the whole “Sutri” idea on his own, share with them this article from Polonia Christiana, which even Church Militant no longer has the courage to share. And ask yourselves, why is it that 7 years ago, they could talk about it, but now it is forbidden by their handlers? And who are their handlers, after all?

And as for my readers who are Polish, I ask you to contact this Professor of History and send him the information about the Sutri Initiative, and ask him to endorse it and popularize it in Poland, because so far, the few letters received by the Bishops of the Roman Province have not yet been enough to convince them to act.

A Criticism of Pope Francis’ Letter to US Bishops on Immigration

Editor’s Note: I have been saying it since 2014, that Pope Francis is willing to jettison any aspect of the Catholic Faith for his agenda. I had hoped that the High Priestly Prayer of Our Lord for him as the pope would make a difference, but he has rejected that grace too. Now the Divine Justice will take its own course. — If the Bishops of the Roman Province responded to the Sutri Petition last year, with true Synodal fraternal action, this battle would have been adverted, with either Pope Francis’ repentance or abdication. They have chosen to go the hard way, into total humiliation. I think we shall either see a call from world leaders for such a council to depose Pope Francis or that the Lord will call him from this life. In either way, his disgrace will be complete, with all the Bishops who supported him.

Pope Francis says 70% of Catholics who disagree with him are “not Christian”?

Commentary by Br. Alexis Bugnolo

The level of rhetoric which Pope Francis is marshaling in favor of USAID projects to destabilize national governments is astounding. Just weeks after increasing the penalties and fines for illegally emigrating into the Vatican, Pope Francis has begun to bombard Catholics in the United States who oppose his position that, while he has the right to exclude illegal aliens, they have no right; nay, they have a duty as Christians to welcome them, no matter what!

His level of political rhetoric surpassed all bounds, with his open denial, in a letter to the Bishops of the U.S.A., that there is an order of charity — a doctrine universally accepted in both East and West, and found in scripture (e.g. see 10 Commandments: God is first, family is second, neighbors are third). This denial if not patent heresy is at least proximate to heresy. — This denial was directed to the comments the week previously of Vice President J. D. Vance, a convert to the Catholic Faith, about charity having priorities which begin at home and extend in ever increasing circles of separation to those at a distance.

He even went further, when he manifestly perverted the teaching of the Catholic Church on conscience by saying, in his letter to U.S. Bishops: “The rightly formed conscience cannot fail to make a critical judgment and express its disagreement with any measure that tacitly or explicitly identifies the illegal status of some migrants with criminality.”

But now the outrageous rhetoric has reached a new bound, with Pope Francis declaring that the “anti-immigration” views of Donald Trump “are not christian”. Yet, 70% of U.S. Citizens and Catholics agree with these views:*

The conclusion seems certain, therefore, that Pope Francis is willing to excommunicate 70% of Catholics in the U.S.A. and elsewhere who disagree with himself on the morality of illegal immigration to take down and destroy national sovereignty and culture. — His position is clearly insane and diabolic in the extreme.

And this conclusion does not seem to be fanciful, because Pope Francis’ newest episcopal appointee in the U.S.A. is the Archbishop of Detroit, who says that those Catholics who support Trump’s deportation policy should be “excommunicated”:

Included in that denunciation are not only the U.S. Vice President, J. D. Vance, a convert, but also Jim Homan, a cradle Catholic, who is the Border Czar charged with seeing the inflow of illegal aliens stops completely. He shot back at Pope Francis immediately, telling him to mind his own business:

Catholics who have been watching the ever-increasing decline of Pope Francis’ health and morality won’t be shocked at this news, because they see that from the day he usurped the Apostolic Throne he has hated the Catholic Church and Catholic Nations. He was installed, as we now know — and it is no conspiracy theory — through the efforts of Barrack Obama and Hilary Clinton who “persuaded” the Cardinals to elect him, even though they knew Pope Benedict XVI had not abdicated.

Catholics who want you to petition the Cardinals to solve the problem of Francis — now that they know these things — are simply pulling your leg or are in secret either agents of the Deep State or of the Deep Church. They still won’t say, but as Our Lord says, “Judge them not by their words, but by their deeds”.

Let us hope that Catholics in the U.S.A. now forcefully promote the Sutri Initiative, seeing that they have a Vice President who is Catholic and who now has personal as well as national interest reasons for urging the convocation of a Council to depose this malign claimant to the Apostolic Throne.

In the Middle Ages, Popes used the full force of their divine authority to uphold the Catholic Faith and teachings of Jesus Christ, by excommunicating Kings for bigamy, divorce and heresy, even going so far as to place entire kingdoms under papal interdict — a procedure whereby the distribution of all Sacraments is suspended, that is, not performed, during a period established by papal decree, in an attempt to convince public opinion against the rulers of the region.

It seems now likely, that Pope Francis, in the support of the Globalist inhuman objectives is now willing to misuse that same authority in a most diabolical way.

If such a crisis occurs, it will be not only his own fault and that of his supporters, but of all those who refused to support the Sutri Initiative and have wed themselves to the diabolic down-spiral into which the U.S. Department of Defense, Ideological Warfare program put the Church in 1953.


** Catholics in poling in the USA rarely differ by a few points from those of average U.S. citizens, so that, in saying that this poll applies equally to Catholics, one must understand with all other things being equal. Unlike in many other modern nations, Catholics in the United States are formed from their youth to respect the civil laws, and all agree that entering the country illegally is immoral not just criminal. Thus the actual poll results of Catholics on this issue are likely to be only 5-8% lower than those reported.

Pope Benedict XVI’s Declaratio: A ‘Munus’ which keeps on giving

by Br. Alexis Bugnolo

Traduction française  — Traduzione italiana

Nearly 12 years ago, Pope Benedict XVI read aloud in the Clementine Hall, before the Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, assembled for the approbation of 3 groups of Saints, his now famous “Declaratio”, an administrative act which announced that he was to renounce the “ministry … which he received through the hands of the Cardinals …” as of Feb. 28, of that year. The document, rife with errors in Latin and juridical concepts, was immediately recognized by even the most main stream publications as the BBC (see Feb. 28, 2013 report here) to risk splitting the Church in two and making the man to be elected in the upcoming Conclave an anti-pope.

His conscious, free decision to renounce the ministerium rather than the munus of the Roman Pontiff was the cause and origin of the controversy, which is mocked by those-still-in-denial after 12 years, as “Benevacantism”, a term coined by Steve Skojec, founder of 1 Peter 5.

But ironically, Pope Benedict XVI’s Great Error — unlike Pope Celestine V’s “Great Refusal” — is a gift, that is, a munus, which keeps on giving, because whatsoever was his intention, and whatsoever is the opinion of any observer, Pope Benedict XVI’s action began a great divorce in the Church, between the juridical order and the church of appearances.

For from the moment that he neglected or failed to actually renounce the Petrine Munus (as he had apparently announced he would do) on Feb. 28, 2013, the Apostolic See has been in a state equivalent to an impeded see, with the entire Roman Curia and Courts deprived of all legal right to act and issue any decisions or judgements, and Jorge Mario Bergoglio, who came out of the illegal and uncanonical Conclave of 2013, as Pope Francis, of all right to govern the Church. This is because, the entire Roman Curia operates licitly and validly only inasmuch as they assist the Roman Pontiff in the exercise of his Petrine Ministry. When he refuses to do this, they cease to have any legitimacy.

This has made all of Pope Francis’ acts, statements, documents, letters etc. and treaties since March 13, 2013, until the death of Pope Benedict XVI on Dec. 31, 2022, null and void, without effect.

But that is not only their only effect.

For because so many unfaithful and cowardly men, followed by so many uninformed and lazy Catholics, have recognized Pope Francis as a legitimate pope throughout this time, they have accepted his illicit alterations of the Code of Canon Law and reorganization of the Roman Curia, such that, now, even after the death of Pope Benedict XVI, every act of the Roman Curia and every judgement of the Apostolic Signatura and Roman Rota, as well as every penal process, in tribunal or by administrative decree, throughout the whole Church, which is based on those changes, is legally null in void, that is irritus, because it has not cited the correct and authentic canons of the Church, or has emanated from justices which hold no canonical mandate issued by a Roman Pontiff holding the Petrine Munus, or is issued by an office of the Roman Curia which has never legally existed, being created by Pope Francis during his antipapacy.

This gift of Pope Benedict XVI keeps on giving, also, because of the faithful and courageous action of the Roman Catholics at Rome, who resorting to their Apostolic Right to elect the Roman Pontiff, granted them by Saint Peter the Apostle themselves, elected Pope Francis the Roman Pontiff to satisfy canon 331 and to reestablish the basics of juridical order in the Church, while yet omitting to inform him of his election,* so that he would not reissue by valid decree those documents which he issued invalidly without legal right as antipope.

Now, the next Conclave can give the Church a valid Successor of Saint Peter, who can begin the Great Catholic Reset. The Great Reset which Pope Benedict XVI, unwittingly or consciously, prepared with his Declaratio of Feb. 11, 2013.

Archbishop Fulton Sheen once remarked, that the day would come when the laity would save the Church, and that day came two years ago, on January 30, 2023, at the Assembly held to elect Pope Benedict XVI’s successor, just as Pope Benedict XVI — may he rest in peace — indicated in his Declaratio, an election “by those who were competent” to act.


** An election by Apostolic Right, since the Apostle laid down no written law concerning it, operates under the terms of Natural Law, where if one already claims to hold an office, his acceptance of any election to it is tacitly assumed de facto and de jure. So there is no need that the one elected explicitly and verbally indicate his acceptance of that election, his acceptance is automatic by reason of his habitual prior claim to the office.

Who is Andrea Cionci? And what about his new theory on the Renunciation?

Editor’s Note: Later this week, there will be published in Italy, an entire interview with myself on this new theory of Cionci. — But as a preface for the English speaking world, who may not know the entire history of the Controversy about Pope Benedict XVI’s Declaration and how it fits in the matrix of Masonic infiltration in the Church and the U.S. Government’s Ideological Warfare program against the Catholic Faith, A. J. over at OMC Radio TV interviewed me today in this two part 1 1/2 hour interview, where we basically depth-charge the entire Globalist agenda since World War II and during the rest of the Trump administration, while showing how the Sutri Initiative is the Key to the Catholic Restoration.

Discussing, in protestant fashion, whether Pope Francis is the Pope…

Editor’s Note: Here Dr. Mazza argues against Father Brian Harrison, on the question of whether a Catholic can personally hold that a heretical pope is no longer the pope, before any judgement of the Church.

This discussion of Dr. Mazza’s I find disingenuous, because I know he knows of the Sutri Initiative, but he prefers to argue against Father Harrison, as a protestant might argue, since he only appeals to private judgement and crafts a rebuttal to Father Harrison, as if the Church did not possess a competent tribunal to judge whether the man who is the pope have a valid claim to be the pope.

Father Harrison, also — though he correctly asserts that Catholics must regard as valid all the canonical but non-heretical acts of a superior, even if he be a heretic, so long as the competent authority has not declared his heresy — neglects any mention of what is the competent authority to make such a declaration.

I scratch my head in seeing two learned men act like protestants argue in such a manner. Protestants could be alleged to not know what is the competent authority to depose a claimant to the Papacy. But I have to publicly rebuke Dr. Mazza and Fr. Harrison for engaging in such a debate while omitting the truth, as they are intentionally manipulating the Faithful who hear them and are intentionally keeping them in the dark about an historically verified truth of the juridic structure of the Church.

To both, I remind them, that to behave in such a manner will merit your eternal damnation, because it is sin to bear false witness against Holy Mother Church and to intentionally deceive your audience by your silence.

Belgium: Andrea Cionci during conference agrees with Br. Bugnolo on 2 points

News with Commentary by Br. Alexis Bugnolo
with thanks to Fr. Walter Covens for his summary of the events and his

Traduction française

Here at FromRome.Info, I try to cover all the important news about the Debate over whether Pope Benedict XVI abdicated or not and whether Pope Francis is an anti-pope or not and how he could be removed from office in a canonically valid manner.

I do this for the sake of Christ, my King, to protect His Immaculate Bride from the ravaging hands and tongues of His enemies and of not a few of His friends who say things in ignorance regarding these topics.

Since my interest is in the triumph of truth over error, I am pleased when I see those who have publicly disagreed with me accept the truth, even if it takes them two years and in doing so they do not admit I was right all along. It is not that I have a charism of being right, it is that in humility I try not to ever give my own opinion, but simply repeat what experts, scholars, Doctors of the Church, Saints and Canon Law says.

Andrea Cionci has agreed with Br. Bugnolo on two points

So I am happy to announce that Andrea Cionci has at last accepted that I was right on two important points regarding Papal Elections.

  1.  That the Cardinals must enter into conclave no later than the 20th day after the death of a Roman Pontiff, for their votes to be counted, other wise, if they do not do so, the Cardinals cannot validly elect a Pope.
  2. That it is sufficient that even a small number of electors convene to validly elect a pope.

Andrea Cionci has made these affirmations — my English is not an exact translation — in a conference given at Namur, Belgium to the “Piccolo Resto”, which was held in French, but where he intervened in Italian, with a translator translating live.

The first point is the exact rule from the Papal Law, Universi Domini gregis. The second is derived from the Code of Canon Law, which says that in all ecclesiastical elections, the validity of the election is not destroyed by the paucity of electors who present themselves. So in fact, even 1 Cardinal in a Conclave, or 1 layman in an Assembly of Apostolic Right, could validly elect a pope: presuming there was a proper convocation of the Conclave or Assembly. Cf. the Code of Canon Law for these conditions.

Cionci holds, though, there needs to be at least 3 Cardinals, since he misinterprets the requirement of a majority to validly elect. He evidently does not think a sole vote in a conclave of only 1 cardinal is not a majority. An opinion which shows his entire confusion on how to read the Papal Law!

The Papal Law currently in force, however, does not provide any way for electing a Pope if the Cardinals in charge of convoking a conclave fail to do so, or if none appear before the 21st day. For Cionci, this means there is no other way. But as I have said last week, only someone entirely ignorant in jurisprudence holds that a law remains in force if its fundamental condition is obstructed.

Where Andrea Cionci still is making up things

Andrea Cionci still believes, however, that only Cardinals in a Conclave can elect a pope in a valid manner, because being an opera singer and an instructor in singing, and only a journalist on the side, he has absolutely no training in Canon Law. He cannot even read Latin. I know these things because he told me himself.

He is now, however, claiming that though Pope Francis is an antipope, Cardinals can convene after his death and validly elect a true pope. While it is true that after Pope Francis’ death Cardinals can validly elect his successor, a true pope, certain conditions could invalidate that; however, Cionci is QUITE WRONG in claiming that Cardinals after the death of an ANTI-POPE can enter into conclave, since that is expressly forbidden by the Papal Law, which only allows Conclaves after the death of TRUE POPES. — I use capitals here, to shout, since having said this before, he still seems to be deaf to the truth and refuses to read what is written in the Papal Law, Universi Dominici Gregis.

I will add that during his conference he claimed that Father Ferdinando Cornet agrees with him in his position.

Cionci claims Pope Francis will resign in January of 2025

He is also claiming that “according to his sources”, Pope Francis will resign in January.

Let’s see if Andrea Cionci’s sources are valid or not, by waiting to see what happens.

Cionci wants you to know his position on Conclaves is absurd

I do not think he believes his own reasons are strong enough to convince the Cardinals, though, since he also said, during the response to Questions, that if no valid Cardinal elects a true pope before August 18, 2036, when the third-youngest will become 80 years of age and lose his right to vote, then the Church will never have a pope again. — This expressly contradicts the First Vatican Council which teaches that is the Will of God that Saint Peter have perpetual successors in the See of Rome.

So I am glad he expressed his own opinion ad absurdum, since this will help true Catholics realize that his position on the obligatory nature of always following the Papal Law is not sustainable, reasonable, or a Catholic approach, since it ends in the self-destruction of the Church by the pharasaical observance of a merely positive law.

Evidently Father Cornet also does not believe, however, that he and Cionci have good enough reasons to convince the Cardinals to act, because during the conference he asks the faithful to ask priests to pray for the graces the Cardinals need.

One slight error made by Cionci during his talk is to say that there are 30 Cardinals who can vote in a Conclave who were appointed by Popes John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI and that all of these need to be petitioned. But he fails to realize that at least 11 of them are members of the St. Gallen Mafia. So by petitioning them all, he is giving certain knowledge of his operation to the enemy.

For an throughly Catholic solution to how Pope Benedict XVI could and did have a juridically valid successor see the article, The Triump of the Lamb, here at FromRome.Info.

Videos of the Conference are in Italian and French

The conference was held apparently held on November 23, 2024, at Namur, Belgium, and 110 were expected to attend. About half of those attending came from France, some by car from Languedoc. This was the very day after I had publicly rebuked Cionci in the strongest manner for his previous positions.

The French Translator stated that the French Edition of Andrea Cionci’s Book, The Ratzinger Code, has been read by more than 1 million in the French speaking world. But she fails to mention that Father Walter Covens is its translator. — The translation was done while Pope Benedict XVI was still in life.

The conference was transmitted on the YouTube Channel: Hildegarde de Bingen, 5 days ago. See below. The owner of this channel is the woman doing the translations in the videos. So please let her know that she should mention the name of the translator, since he merits that much.

What Father Cornet said …

Father Cornet, for his part, made a grave error, in restricting the obligation of Catholics to the “laws” of the Church. He evidently has never studied jurisprudence, because the correct maxim, is that Catholics are obliged to do what is right and just, which is expressed in Divine Revelation and Apostolic Tradition, and from time to times is applied in canons and laws for particular circumstances of history. Thus he appears to be saying we should follow Canon Law or Papal Laws even if they went contrary to Apostolic or Divine Law. That would be the very heresy of Pharasaism, which Our Lord condemned in the Gospels many times.

He also said that unless a priest say he does not intent to confect a Sacrament, that the Sacrament is considered valid.  The correct Catholic doctrine in such cases, is that the Sacrament IS valid, not merely considered valid, so long as a validly ordained priest using valid matter and saying the correct words, has not explicated such an intention. This difference seems small, but “to consider a thing valid” and for a thing “to be valid” are two different orders of being, the former is a mental judgement, the latter is a reality existing in this world. To attempt to quell the doubts of souls as regards the validity of a Sacrament, one has to speak of reality, not mental judgements of reality. This is the entire basis for the finding of Benedict XVI’s renunciation as non-existent in reality, even though many in their minds think or consider or judge it happened.

He said many other things, but this one strikes me as most worthy of note: that Cardinal Achille Liénart (who consecrated Archbishop Lefebrve a Bishop) before his own death confessed to being a 33rd Degree Freemason; and that he, Father Cornet, knows this personally, because he knew the Cardinal in life. Since the Cardinal died in 1973, however, I wonder how a Argentine in his sixties, like Father Cornet, barely at the age of maturity, would know personally a Cardinal in France? Perhaps I misunderstand how he phrased this. However, the report that the Cardinal confessed to being a Freemason before death has already been published more than 15 years ago, here.

Why Bishop Schneider’s Wrong and Argues Dishonestly about Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation

Editor’s Note: There are so many errors and falsehoods in the above article, that I have replied by a complete rebuttal in video format, here below, and at FromRomeInfoVido on YouTube (here).

Articles referenced in the above video, in addition to the lead article from LifeSite News:

Br. Bugnolo’s refutation of Father Faré’s Statement that Pope Francis has never been a legitimate pope (In the video, Br. mistakenly says, “Fr. Cornet”)

The Triumph of the Lamb: or how Pope Benedict XVI’s successor was elected

Father Faré’s Straw Man Argument

UPDATED NOV. 25, 2024

A refutation by Br. Alexis Bugnolo

Traduction français (of original version)

Padre Giorgio Maria Faré, a Carmelite Priest of the province of Italy, well known for his writings on Vatican II, the Mass and the Liturgy, recent garnered international recognition when he pronounced during Mass, at one of the conferences organized by Andrea Cionci, his personal declaration why he holds that Jorge Mario Bergoglio is not and has never been the Pope.

Like many authors on this subject he rehashes, though with a very high academic sense of preparation, the main arguments published by many authors and the news covered by FromRome.Info, though he never cites FromRome.Info.

But his entire argument is a straw man, because it is based on a shell game. In logical form, Father argues thus (though the words of the illation are my own summary of his text):

Minor of the Argument: Pope Benedict XVI’s Declaration was not an abdication
Major of the Argument: There cannot be a valid election of a Roman Pontiff while his predecessor still lives and has not abdicated.
Conclusion: Therefore, Pope Francis has never been the legitimate pope.

Can you see the game he is playing?

Yes, it is the inclusion of “never” in the Conclusion; a term which no where appears in his argument.

The truth is, as has always been sustained here at FromRome.Info, that the Roman Pontiff can be elected in only one way, juridically, and in two ways in practice.

Juridically, no one has the right to elect the Roman Pontiff, except those to whom that right was given by Saint Peter the Apostle. And that is the whole and entire Church of Rome (present today in the Dioceses of Rome and the Suburbican Dioceses around it).

When we say “juridically” we are speaking of the font of right which makes a thing legitimate.

But in practice, there are two way of electing the Pope: legally and by inherent right.

I say legally in reference to an election performed according to the positive Papal Law: Universi Dominic gregis, which establishes the norms for a Conclave of Cardinals to elect the pope and in that conclave restricts voting exclusively to the Cardinals alone who are not excommunicated and are of eligible age.

But by inherent right, to an election undertaken according to the tradition of the Roman Church in the exercise of Her right to elect Her owns Bishop, a right given by Saint Peter, when there was no Conclave or Cardinals.

To understand this one must recall that on April 13, 1059 A. D., Pope Nicholas II created a new modality for the election of the Roman Pontiff, restricting the right to vote from all the Clergy and Laity of the Roman Church to the prerogative only of the Cardinals. He did this in the Bull, “In Nomine Domini“, the English translation of which I published 4 years ago. From that moment until this day, the inherent right and the legal or canonical right have been distinct.

Now for anyone who knows nothing about the jurisprudence, as nearly all who have entered this controversy are, it is not surprising that they are entirely ignorant that in jurisprudence there is universally recognized a hierarchy of right, and — here I summarize and simplify — the lowest of which is the right which arises through customary abuse; the next, by positive law promulgated by legitimate authority; the highest is by some unchanging source of right which is beyond the powers of all who are presently living: such as constitutional, natural or divine right.

In the case of the Church, that highest font of right is Divine Right, and Apostolic Right is intimately associated with that, since Christ commissioned the Apostles personally and Saint Peter immediately.

And thus in the Roman Church, the Apostolic Tradition of the Clergy and Laity together electing their own bishop, is of the highest order of right. No papal law, thus, can ever entrust the vote to anyone outside of this Church, or deny entirely that at least one member of the Roman Church be an elector.

Now in the interpretation of law, every law remains in force until one of three things happens: either it is abolished by a legitimate authority (derogation), or it is replaced wholly by another law promulgated by a legitimate authority (obrogation), or it regards circumstances which no longer can be observed.

In the third case, we have the Papal Law on Papal Elections, Universi Domini Gregis, of Pope John Paul II, because the law clearly presumes that the Cardinals want to and will enter into Conclave to elect a pope within 20 days of the death of the previous pope. And there is no term whatsoever, in that law, which allows them to postpone the election, except in cases of force majeure, that is externally — against their own will — applied pressure (e. g. as during a military occupation of the Vatican, or their imprisonment to the last man by a hostile power).

Thus, when interpreting the scope of that Papal Law it is obvious to anyone who understands the principles of right, that it cannot bind in the case where no Cardinal wants to elect a pope or there are no Cardinals who are of the age capable or there are not Cardinals alive.

For in all such cases, if you were mad enough to insist that the law still was in force, you would arrive at the conclusion that the Apostolic Succession could end in the Roman See with the express consent and intention of Pope John Paul II, the author of that law!!!

And that would not only be absurd but quite dishonest, not to mention calumnious.

Thus, there can be no other reasonable sentence than that in such cases the Papal Law does not bind in such cases. And thus, it is, that in its introduction it says, in paragraph 9, that the Conclave — about which the law regards — is not necessary for a valid election of the Roman Pontiff. A thing which not need to be said IF it was the intention of the lawgiver, Pope John Paul II, that his law be observed in extraordinary circumstances beyond those envisioned by the law itself.

Which means that the lawgiver himself did not intend the prescriptions of his law to then apply (since the condition of Cardinals wanting to elect the pope is essential and substantial presumption of the entire intent of the law, not merely a minor detail); and thus that the law’s right interpretation is, in such circumstances outside of its framer’s intent and presumption, to have recourse to the higher juridical font of right upon which basis John Paul II invoked the law; and that higher juridical font of right is the Apostolic Right of the Roman Church to elect Her own Bishop in general assembly. Moreover since this is part of Apostolic Tradition, not even a pope can be held to presume to have the intention to alienate this right in extraordinary legal circumstances by adherence to a specific law which does not make provision regarding such circumstances!

Now, that Jorge Mario Bergoglio was elected pope by Apostolic Right in a public assembly on January 30, 2023, is a thing known to all in this controversy in Italy, since the enemies of Christ have ridiculed the event for neigh 18 months. So certainly Father Faré also knows of it, since he expressly denies recognizing any other means of papal election but that which takes place in a Conclave, a thing he need not say otherwise.

And that Assembly acted in a perfectly legitimate and juridically valid manner as can be discerned from the evidence of its four causes: where it was held, why it was held, who was allowed to vote and the kind of candidate to be elected, as is explained at great length in the article, The Chronology of the Triumph of the Lamb, published on Feb. 11, 2023, which totally refutes the position of Andrea Cionci, Don Minutella, and all others, who hold that Pope Benedict XVI, presently, has no validly elected successor in the Apostolic See. A document which they also dare not to quote, because it has convinced so many of their former admirers that they are wrong in claiming there is no Pope, at present.

Thus, the argument of Father Faré is a straw man, which presumes that “never” precisely because his position on the interpretation of law is based on total ignorance or stubborn madness. He will not accept any other manner of papal election even though he alludes to knowing of it, in his text above. Nor does he accept the historical fact that the Faithful of Rome, on January 30, 2023, did their duty and exercised their God given right to elect Pope Benedict XVI’s successor in the face of the full and entire defection of the College of Cardinals to do their legal gravely binding duty.

And if Father Faré, who is not a member of the Roman Church, and who has no authority to judge the validity of papal elections, has read FromRome.info, which I gather he has, he then knows about the Apostolic Right of the Roman Church, because since 2019 I have reviewed this legal interpretation in several articles (such as here, here here and here), all published before the election of Pope Francis by Apostolic Right on January 30, 2023.

Let us pray for Father Giorgio that he withdraws from his obstinate rejection of Apostolic Right and his sui generis interpretation of law. For his position is that of legal positivism, a thing condemned by Pope Benedict XVI himself here. And his madness leads in fact to the end of the papacy forever. Because the Papal Law gives no right to elect the Pope months or years after the death of a legitimate pope.

He is attempting to reconcile in his own mind the personal heresy of a man with his claim to the pontifical office. He has, too lately, proposed the solution in his own mind, that it is possible that he be a heretic because he was never the Pope: a position held first by Bishop Henry Rene Gracida in 2013 and many others including myself before the death of Pope Benedict XVI. But a position which cannot be sustained anymore. He also falsely assumes that it is the teaching of the Church that the person of the Roman Pontiff cannot be a manifest, formal or pertinacious heretic. Whereas the true doctrine is that he cannot be a public heretic. (He seems not to understand the difference among the 5 species of heresy). But how can this be?

Father is a graduate of the Pontifical Gregorian University, which is notorious for imparting to its students a total lack of knowledge of Latin and Canon Law. Don Minutella is also a graduate of this university. What can I say? but that both of them are victims of Jesuit intellectual formation: for it is now far better and more prudent to simply join in the Sutri Initiative than declare the Pope not a pope or a heretic by your own authority, because in the latter case you end up defrocked and or excommunicated, but in the former case you might just help heal the Church. And should we not prefer healing the Church to committing professional suicide?

It is the Sutri Initiative which is the best medicine for the whole Church, for Pope Francis, for the Bishops, for all priests and laymen and women. If the clergy has not the courage to sit down and frankly ask the real hard questions and demand answers, then they are morally failing their Lord and God in a most fundamental aspect of what it means ‘to be part of the Church’ and ‘to be the Church of the living, incarnate God.’

Indeed, until the Sutri Initiative obtains what it requests (viz. a clarification of the status of the claim of Jorge Mario Bergoglio to be the pope), more and more clergy, religious and laity are likely to fall into the error which has entrapped Father Faré, simply because the invalidity of the renunciation of Pope Benedict XVI is far more obvious and clear and well understood than is the way back to Catholic unity through an election by Apostolic Right. And I say “more … understood” in regard to the number of expositors only, since of all the conversationalists in this debate, I alone have spoken of the latter and been one of the antagonists in its execution; and not in regard to the juridical principles which any legal expert (who is not a juridical positivist) can confirm, if you just ask.

I encourage everyone to share this article with Father Faré so that he can study the matter with the same academic precision he employed to arrive at the confession that the Declaration did not suffice for an abdication.

I also ask you to join me in prayer that the madness of both sides — those who say Pope Benedict XVI never abdicated but refuse the election by Apostolic Right of Bergoglio, and those who say Benedict XVI did validly abdicate — comes to an end through the grace of the Holy Ghost, Who is the Source of true Unity and Reconciliation, and that they accept this grace for the honor and glory of God, the love of Jesus Christ and the salvation of souls: to meet in a Provincial Council at Rome and in the mutual acceptance of the whole truth, reprehend Pope Francis for his errors, declare his antipapacy invalid and all it contains, and put the Church back on the right track, which is canonical regularity and doctrinal fidelity to Jesus Christ. And if they refuse this grace, let us pray, that at least the next true Pope commands them to do this!